Michelin Agilis CC

[alter]

Good evening everyone, my Michelin Agilis Crossclimate with KM 19K in size 215/65r16 and with the correct inflation pressure, today with the drizzly and humid weather they were slipping too much... in a roundabout I ended up straight and luckily there was an escape route......I definitely expected better performance from these tires on wet surfaces, considering the price and the reviews!!, after trying Nokian, Continental I took it for granted that the Michelins were the best.... I would like to try the Uniroyal Rain, does anyone know the pros or cons?... I read that a 2019 Adac test indicated the Apollos as the best result, Indian tires in first place..mah

 

[Kind of Blue]

Good evening everyone, my Michelin Agilis Crossclimate with KM 19K in size 215/65r16 and with the correct inflation pressure, today with the drizzly and humid weather they were slipping too much... in a roundabout I ended up straight and luckily there was an escape route......I definitely expected better performance from these tires on wet surfaces, considering the price and the reviews!!, after trying Nokian, Continental I took it for granted that the Michelins were the best.... I would like to try the Uniroyal Rain, does anyone know the pros or cons?... I read that a 2019 Adac test indicated the Apollos as the best result, Indian tires in first place..mah

There have been multi All season tests and the Pereli All season did very well not sure about sizes though.

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The only thing about tests are they have a tendency to be waited of course one may weight them ones self or ignore but invariably one may be drawn towards a particular testers inclination for what ever reason and each year the number of tests increase measuring this and that. This guy seams to be reasonably consistent but drive like that on UK roads frequently and points will follow. There are video also.

 

[alter]

unfortunately I have to stick to the sizes permitted by the registration document and in the 215/65r16 C size there aren't many alternatives...C tyres are designed for durability and robustness at the expense of performance...the test tyres are not in C and are not valid...

 

[Kind of Blue]

unfortunately I have to stick to the sizes permitted by the registration document and in the 215/65r16 C size there aren't many alternatives...C tyres are designed for durability and robustness at the expense of performance...the test tyres are not in C and are not valid...

Ah yes of course I did not remember your nationality and I am unfamiliar with Italian regulations. May I ask, what are C Sizes?

We have regulations here but may be different sometimes though one can read a test regarding a tyre that may be outside and find the same tyre built to different regulation like XL denoting for load and numbers giving code for load bearing.

 

[Trekster]

C stands for commercial tyre

 

[alter]

All the sizes allowed by Italian regulations on both 16 and 17 inch wheels indicate the C of Cargo, there is the possibility of mounting the size 235/55r17 load 103H reinforced, but obviously I would also have to replace the wheel rims. I think that only in this way could I find tires with better performance....I am in doubt as to how to behave. Here in Italy, moreover, the used market for wheels for the VW T6 is very scarce and very expensive......

 

[Kind of Blue]

All the sizes allowed by Italian regulations on both 16 and 17 inch wheels indicate the C of Cargo, there is the possibility of mounting the size 235/55r17 load 103H reinforced, but obviously I would also have to replace the wheel rims. I think that only in this way could I find tires with better performance....I am in doubt as to how to behave. Here in Italy, moreover, the used market for wheels for the VW T6 is very scarce and very expensive......

Could you import used from somewhere else or am I way off because costs of transportation. Do they have breakers yards, that is places where crashed or otherwise unserviceable vehicles are dismantled in Italy?

 

[whodat]

If it hasn't rained for a bit there is a chance that you slipped in an oil patch. It happens here a lot - the first rains after some time just drive a bit careful.

 

[Kind of Blue]

If it hasn't rained for a bit there is a chance that you slipped in an oil patch. It happens here a lot - the first rains after some time just drive a bit careful.

That is absolutely right! Long periods of no rain particularly in busy areas come the first rains and it can be an ice ring. Rubber from tyres spilt fuel , oil. Long periods of rain wash roads help keep them clean.

 

[Lubrown]

Good evening everyone, my Michelin Agilis Crossclimate with KM 19K in size 215/65r16 and with the correct inflation pressure, today with the drizzly and humid weather they were slipping too much... in a roundabout I ended up straight and luckily there was an escape route......I definitely expected better performance from these tires on wet surfaces, considering the price and the reviews!!, after trying Nokian, Continental I took it for granted that the Michelins were the best.... I would like to try the Uniroyal Rain, does anyone know the pros or cons?... I read that a 2019 Adac test indicated the Apollos as the best result, Indian tires in first place..mah

Do you need all season tyres? They are worse in the wet than summer tyres by a fair margin. So unless you regularly drive on snow or mud they are a compromise that needs some thought.

I have Hankook R28 in the same size/load rating as you and they are unshakable in rain. I still got up a wet grassed slope to a pitch at the top of the camp site (much to the amazement of my neighbours who said the previous people gave in). I just reversed up the hill putting more weight over the driven wheels.

I have all season on the car and they can struggle on slimey/wet roads to the point I wish I never had them. Great on the one occasion we had snow though, and fine in the summer (but still probably not as good as a summer tyres).

 

[Ayjay]

My experience of ‘ordinary’ CCs on my car (albeit a Quattro) is completely different in that they are excellent in the wet and, indeed, everything else that I've had to drive on in the 18,000 miles that they’ve been fitted. So much so that I’ve just spent almost a grand to get a set of Agilis CCs fitted to the van.

 

[alter]

Do you need all season tyres? They are worse in the wet than summer tyres by a fair margin. So unless you regularly drive on snow or mud they are a compromise that needs some thought.

I have Hankook R28 in the same size/load rating as you and they are unshakable in rain. I still got up a wet grassed slope to a pitch at the top of the camp site (much to the amazement of my neighbours who said the previous people gave in). I just reversed up the hill putting more weight over the driven wheels.

I have all season on the car and they can struggle on slimey/wet roads to the point I wish I never had them. Great on the one occasion we had snow though, and fine in the summer (but still probably not as good as a summer tyres).

..I didn't absolutely need all-season tires but living in an area where it can occasionally snow and often frequenting dirt roads, I had seen these Agilis CC and thought they were ideal for me. They have often helped me on snow and rough roads but now on wet (not only on potentially dirty asphalt) they are very slippery after only 18K KM and a year and a half of life.
Sorry if I didn't interpret well because of google translate... are your Hankook R28s so good on wet? Otherwise I would have thought of the Continental Vancontac100, any advice is good!! thanks

 

[Ayjay]

I would also add that my van originally came fitted with 16" Hankook RA28s and I thought they were terrible tyres. They never inspired any confidence in me and they never seemed to be able to gain any traction on even slightly damp grass. That was the main reason why I changed my wheels (and tyres) to 17" Devonports - it was cheaper to buy a set of delivery mileage (10 miles / 16 Km) wheels and tyres than it was to buy a new set of tyres for the original 16" Clayton wheels. The new 17" Continental Van Contacts were better all round than the old ones but they are now wearing which is why I bought the Agilis. After seeing the posts above, I hope I haven't made an expensive mistake. That said, reviews of the Agilis that I read all said that they were very good in the wet and although I've only driven a couple of miles in hard rain with them on, I couldn't detect any issues.

 

[Lubrown]

..I didn't absolutely need all-season tires but living in an area where it can occasionally snow and often frequenting dirt roads, I had seen these Agilis CC and thought they were ideal for me. They have often helped me on snow and rough roads but now on wet (not only on potentially dirty asphalt) they are very slippery after only 18K KM and a year and a half of life.
Sorry if I didn't interpret well because of google translate... are your Hankook R28s so good on wet? Otherwise I would have thought of the Continental Vancontac100, any advice is good!! thanks

I’m happy with wet performance of the R28. I recall driving back from Scotland during a storm, one section of motorway was OK but we then hit a wall of rain and a bit of surface water flooding. The Audi and Jaguar that had just sped past me slowed a lot but the van - probably around 2.7t loaded as we were on 215 wide summer tyres was totally unaffected. Felt planted so I just carried on at my normal speed. The cars never overtook again! Tiring journey with so much rain and spray but the tyres were spot on.

They hold on wet islands and corners no problem. As fast as I will drive a van around these things anyway.

The car, again on Hankooks but an all season, squirms a bit on wet islands, especially where the surface is poor. I’m going back to summer tyres when these wear out.

Just looking at tyre labels you will see all season don’t match a good summer tyres in the rain. But if you see the comparison Tyre Reviews does on YouTube or his own website you will see handling and braking in wet conditions there is a huge difference with summer tyres being a lot safer for wet roads.

He also debunked the loss of grip at temperatures below 7 degrees c that people thought happened with summer tyres. Decent brands grip just as well down to just four degrees c. Cheap brands are just nowhere near as safe at any temperature. Something he says in every comparison, backed by the test data.

I’ve worked on civil engineering sites and camped since I could drive. There have only been a couple of times where deep slip has caught me out. Decent summer tyres (I usually have Michelin and will revert back to them again next time) are genuinely very capable these days for most scenarios.

If you see snow more than once a year then all season still seems a sensible option but just don’t expect them to match a summer tyres on wet roads - by definition all season tyres are a compromise. They work well enough in all situations but don’t excel in any.

 

[Salty Spuds]

Were you driving “Italian style” ?

 

[alter]

Were you driving “Italian style” ?

no no, I was driving like a pensioner with the fog and drizzle, I was already aware of the grip limits of the tires and for a moment, fortunately without consequences I found myself driving "in English style", that is on the other side of the road.....
I have another Ford Custom van also equipped with Agilis CC, but it had never happened to me to slip like this on the wet, probably because the tires have only 10K KM and are of a more recent Dot. I replaced the tire set (I have two complete with rims) with Continental Van 200, the tires supplied Oem on the van 8 years ago and 35K KM traveled, this morning with the wet road they did not play strange tricks on me despite having 3 m/m of tread.
I always remain in confident waiting for your advice for new tires.. greetings

 

[Kind of Blue]

no no, I was driving like a pensioner with the fog and drizzle, I was already aware of the grip limits of the tires and for a moment, fortunately without consequences I found myself driving "in English style", that is on the other side of the road.....
I have another Ford Custom van also equipped with Agilis CC, but it had never happened to me to slip like this on the wet, probably because the tires have only 10K KM and are of a more recent Dot. I replaced the tire set (I have two complete with rims) with Continental Van 200, the tires supplied Oem on the van 8 years ago and 35K KM traveled, this morning with the wet road they did not play strange tricks on me despite having 3 m/m of tread.
I always remain in confident waiting for your advice for new tires.. greetings

I think that is why it was suggested oil. Roundabouts are bound to become slippery, spilt diesel, oil and so on. I doubt that it would matter what tyre you where driving with.

 

[Salty Spuds]

I think that is why it was suggested oil. Roundabouts are bound to become slippery, spilt diesel, oil and so on. I doubt that it would matter what tyre you where driving with.

I’m inclined to agree. I have Agilis CCs on my van & they have been faultless in all weathers. Unless this is a regular occurrence, then I’d put it down to road surface.

 

[Kind of Blue]

I’m inclined to agree. I have Agilis CCs on my van & they have been faultless in all weathers. Unless this is a regular occurrence, then I’d put it down to road surface.

Quality first order manufactures of tyres usually build in things like gradual breakaway warnings creating unease and reactive back off budget manufactures may not do this particularly at the very cheap end. Manufacturers like Michelin and Continental are top end manufactures.

 

[alter]

thanks to everyone for participating in the post, if anyone can give me some advice on summer tires in the size 215765r16 C to replace my old Continental 200 I would be very grateful....have a good day