Caravan & Teenagers = Not Cool

Speaking as someone currently in France with a 16 year old, I’m not sure this will solve your problem. My son just does not want to camp full stop, seriously uncool, seriously bad (not the word he used!) holiday. My daughter is ok with it, likes the van and all three of us are looking forward to next year when he won’t be with us! Not sure where he will go though as I’m not leaving him in the

Speaking as someone currently in France with a 16 year old, I’m not sure this will solve your problem. My son just does not want to camp full stop, seriously uncool, seriously bad (not the word he used!) holiday. My daughter is ok with it, likes the van and all three of us are looking forward to next year when he won’t be with us! Not sure where he will go though as I’m not leaving him in the house alone!
I feel your pain. Caravanning has served us well for the last 15 years and we've been to France for the last 8 of those to the same campsite. This year, our youngest is just at that awkward age where activities are too young for her.

So, we are just weighing up option's but it is a cert that the caravan is going because we just don't make use of it as we should. Hence the questions about turning the T6 into more of a day van, so at least they, me and the boss can go away for the odd night away locally and then decided about France later on.

I am still I'm turmoil about it all and what I need as a basic day van set up. It's all so confusing.
 
Speaking as someone currently in France with a 16 year old, I’m not sure this will solve your problem. My son just does not want to camp full stop, seriously uncool, seriously bad (not the word he used!) holiday. My daughter is ok with it, likes the van and all three of us are looking forward to next year when he won’t be with us! Not sure where he will go though as I’m not leaving him in the house alone!
My experiences with my neighbours "kids" trying to burn down their parents house (whilst they obliviously enjoy a child free weekend) was a factor to me to buying our van in the first place!

After years of enjoyable long caravan trips during summer holidays, we decided that sharing a tight space with three girls, (two of which are moody teenagers) was an issue as the girls were cramping our style!

We now have a flexible arrangement where the kids sleep in the van and we enjoy our caravan again! When they bicker and fight I threaten to turn off the Wi-Fi in the van and relocate it in the campsite car park!
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The older kids are beginning to rebel and don't really want to share the same airspace with me at home, let alone on holiday! I have come to terms with this and found that combining caravan with van helps us all tolerate each other!..... just!
 
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Bloody kids :D Our son is turning 15 and is already bored when going on holiday with us. We offer to take him to all kinds of activities to which the answer is always a blunt No way!
 
Thanks for all the replies so far and I am relieved to see others are in similar situations.

For those who use their day vans or to go away without a Caravan. Have you just gone with a ehu and mains charger for the leisure batt. Or have you gone with DC-DC, mains charger and EHU. I do not plan on doing solar.

I did think about just ehu and Mains charger but then thought if I was going abroad and needed to power a cool box or fridge during the journey, will I also need DC-DC or can the LB be charged at home prior to the journey?
 
We just have an extra long EHU lead for our day van. If you have an awning things like a coolbox will be in there. I'm a light sleeper so don't like any noise in the camper.
 
Thanks for all the replies so far and I am relieved to see others are in similar situations.

For those who use their day vans or to go away without a Caravan. Have you just gone with a ehu and mains charger for the leisure batt. Or have you gone with DC-DC, mains charger and EHU. I do not plan on doing solar.

I did think about just ehu and Mains charger but then thought if I was going abroad and needed to power a cool box or fridge during the journey, will I also need DC-DC or can the LB be charged at home prior to the journey?
I have a kombi van that I use at work (Sunday best pool vehicle) with a 150w solar panel, dc-dc charger and 170Ah lifepo4 battery. (No hookup and no fridge, but it could easily run a compressor fridge for ever in the summer months)
This vehicle is SWB, insulated and lined, lowered (for ferries), waterproof seat covers and no carpet and is also equipped with an Ovano. I have to say that this is my perfect van and would be the one we used here if it were not in use at my work.

My wife was keen on having an LWB camper conversion with pop-top, sink with hot water, etc. This was exactly what she got and her "camper" is perfect in every way, but simply a bit too much to worry about. Also being LWB with a pop top we find it more limiting on height restrictions and parking than we would a tripped back version.

If it were me I would have a similar set up to my fancy work van and omit the huge inverter but still have the DC-DC charging a 100Ah lifepo4 LB with decent 12V socket to use an Ecoflow which have their own built in inverter for mains power. This way the Ecoflow can be pretty much permanently on charge from the LB and is removable for the vehicle.
 
Scrap my post #22 as it was made on the second day of our 2022 holiday!

Introducing additional sleeping arrangements has just caused extra arguments. I am done holidaying with our eldest kids as this latest holiday has been a disaster!

Even with expensive camp sites, with numerous activities, pools and entertainment, our older kids have been shocking!

Why the hell are older girls so unbearable? They have no filter for others on our site, and couldn't care less about humiliating Mum and Dad whilst they fight like cat and dog at all hours of the day and night! This holiday has made me recognise that parenting on a campsite is so unbearable that we may sell the caravan when we get home!

We have a final stop planned on the way back up to the Chunnel, but if I had my way I'd pack up and be home tomorrow! (Wife has refused to allow this so far.)
 
The problem with kids is they hold all the cards as there are no meaningful consequences for their actions, and don't they know it. Most need a bloody good thrashing.
 
The problem with kids is they hold all the cards as there are no meaningful consequences for their actions, and don't they know it. Most need a bloody good thrashing.
A vast majority of kids come good in the end though. Besides which, you can get your own back when you reach senility. :rofl:
 
We might be able to get our own back, but going by the state of my Dad, I'm off to Switzerland way before I get to that stage. What ever happened to three score and ten being long enough for anyone?
 
When I was 16 (a few years ago) I was an adult, with a job and all of my meagre pay went to my upkeep.
Simple solution; if you want to live in a house follow the rules set by the owner.
May I suggest
 
We had a similar conundrum few years ago, sold Motorhome, bought a Kombi , and now we just go on cruises
 
Scrap my post #22 as it was made on the second day of our 2022 holiday!

Introducing additional sleeping arrangements has just caused extra arguments. I am done holidaying with our eldest kids as this latest holiday has been a disaster!

Even with expensive camp sites, with numerous activities, pools and entertainment, our older kids have been shocking!

Why the hell are older girls so unbearable? They have no filter for others on our site, and couldn't care less about humiliating Mum and Dad whilst they fight like cat and dog at all hours of the day and night!em This holiday has made me recognise that parenting on a campsite is so unbearable that we may sell the caravan when we get home!

We have a final stop planned on the way back up to the Chunnel, but if I had my way I'd pack up and be home tomorrow! (Wife has refused to allow this so far.)
I sympathize 100%!! My two boys made our holiday very unpleasant. I told them frankly that this would be our very last family holiday, and they would have to wait until they are old enough to save up and go away themselves as they made our stay away unbearable.
 
As our kids became teenagers we ditched camping/caravanning and did more traditional sun/sea/sand holidays in UK and abroad.
Once they left home we reverted back to vanning.

Pete
 
The problem with kids is they hold all the cards as there are no meaningful consequences for their actions, and don't they know it. Most need a bloody good thrashing.
The lack of consequences is easy to say, but impossible to really do anything about as a parent!

The days of knocking heads together are gone, (and rightly so), but:
When at home, I can take a phone away as a consequence of bad behaviour. At home, I can let them scream the house down and frankly I don't care, as I can let them run out of steam before giving their phone back a week later.......or apply Screentime controls if their phone is useful for safety reasons.

However, to my cost I found that this doesn't work on a campsite at all because they shout down an entire campsite and that is beyond embarrassing!....... I am mortified by the looks we all got from others as it has been constant!

It seems to me that the clever little bugger's have managed to weaponise camping in the hope that this will lead to going home and me booking a cruise next year for our family of 5! (I am sure that huge family rows on a ship will be much better!)

It seems that the more choices that parents provide for teenagers, the more hassle is created! ...... Spoilt little buggers!

I suppose that these days it is difficult when children see their friends jetting off to exotic places, or going on a cruise, as this has become the nom, but when I was a kid, me and my brother were simply pleased not to be at school let alone go anywhere. We didn't go abroad for anything other than school trips and when we finished university, we were kicked out and my parents toured the world!...... probably on the money they saved from not suffering holidays with me and my brother! :D

I could bang in about how us adults have become too sympathetic towards kids and that "mental health" is the cause of many issues, but this thread has helped me vent and for that I would like to thank the Forum!
 
The lack of consequences is easy to say, but impossible to really do anything about as a parent!

The days of knocking heads together are gone, (and rightly so), but:
When at home, I can take a phone away as a consequence of bad behaviour. At home, I can let them scream the house down and frankly I don't care, as I can let them run out of steam before giving their phone back a week later.......or apply Screentime controls if their phone is useful for safety reasons.

However, to my cost I found that this doesn't work on a campsite at all because they shout down an entire campsite and that is beyond embarrassing!....... I am mortified by the looks we all got from others as it has been constant!

It seems to me that the clever little bugger's have managed to weaponise camping in the hope that this will lead to going home and me booking a cruise next year for our family of 5! (I am sure that huge family rows on a ship will be much better!)

It seems that the more choices that parents provide for teenagers, the more hassle is created! ...... Spoilt little buggers!

I suppose that these days it is difficult when children see their friends jetting off to exotic places, or going on a cruise, as this has become the nom, but when I was a kid, me and my brother were simply pleased not to be at school let alone go anywhere. We didn't go abroad for anything other than school trips and when we finished university, we were kicked out and my parents toured the world!...... probably on the money they saved from not suffering holidays with me and my brother! :D

I could bang in about how us adults have become too sympathetic towards kids and that "mental health" is the cause of many issues, but this thread has helped me vent and for that I would like to thank the Forum!
The last thing I would be doing is taking 3 spoiled little sh1ts on a cruise. Just sayin’
 
When at home, I can take a phone away as a consequence of bad behaviour. At home, I can let them scream the house down and frankly I don't care, as I can let them run out of steam before giving their phone back a week later.......or apply Screentime controls if their phone is useful for safety reasons.
I guess you don't know about the secret phones they have stashed away. They are not telephones for ringing people up, they are a device for getting on the internet, so as long as they have something that will do that, all you can do is hide the wi-fi router. Then you suffer too.
 
I guess you don't know about the secret phones they have stashed away. They are not telephones for ringing people up, they are a device for getting on the internet, so as long as they have something that will do that, all you can do is hide the wi-fi router. Then you suffer too.
Just change the Wi-Fi password
 
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