DPF regen every 10 km

Kresobuba

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Hi, I'm sorry if this is already somewhere written but I cant find. I have t6 2.0 btdi 204 engine 340 tkm, it goes to regen every 10 km, I have check and regen starts when soot is more than 30 and finishes when it is 9 but meausred soot comes again to 30 g in about 10 km, car consumes about 1 liter of oil in about 1200 kn, is this reasonwha it fills DPF or maybe something else. what should I measure to check problem. Thank you.
 
Do you always do short runs?

My T6 does mainly short runs and seems to suffer like yours but I’ve not measured it with any accuracy
 
No it doesent matter short or long, when I read measures soot level goes up 1 g every 500 meters and comes to 30 g in about 10 km.
 
Burning oil will creating soot which will block the DPF and EGR. It will also foul the injectors and cause incomplete combustion creating yet more soot.
Check you don’t have an external oil leak such as crankshaft seal failure.
A compression test will reveal any cylinder / piston damage, although unlikely it could be valve damage. A good mechanic will be able to determine between piston/ cylinder and valve damage by injecting a slug of oil into the cylinder to creat a temporary improvement in the piston / cylinder seal.
If the compression test is good it maybe a turbo seal passing oil. Check the induction after the turbo chargers (boost hose to charge air cooler) to see if it is very oily.
An engine oil analysis is well worth doing, not expensive and providing the input data (from you) is correct it will provide the tester with enough information to make an informed opinion on what is happening within the engine.
Frequent re-generations will no doubt causing diesel wash, damaging the bores / pistons and causing fuel dilution, another good reason for an oil analysis.
340K Km is not a concern as long as the engine has been serviced correctly, most important that the correct oil type is used though.
 
Mine does the same as this, every 20 miles or so it'll do a regen, only very short because I guess it doesn't take much to clean the dpf from the burnt oil.

I've read this quite a few times with the 204, problem is finding a mechanic that's a) interested in doing this work and b) doesn't cost £100 an hour is hard around here.
 
Can someone kindly give me a short explanation on regen please? I notice both my Passat and T6 Shuttle have the fan on once I turn the engine off and lock the vehicles, when walking away. Initially I assumed it was just a warm engine with the fan staying on to cool the engine, but now I wonder if it might be something else? Regen?? I assumed the engine would stay on, not just the fan.
 
Can someone kindly give me a short explanation on regen please? I notice both my Passat and T6 Shuttle have the fan on once I turn the engine off and lock the vehicles, when walking away. Initially I assumed it was just a warm engine with the fan staying on to cool the engine, but now I wonder if it might be something else? Regen?? I assumed the engine would stay on, not just the fan.
 
Can someone kindly give me a short explanation on regen please? I notice both my Passat and T6 Shuttle have the fan on once I turn the engine off and lock the vehicles, when walking away. Initially I assumed it was just a warm engine with the fan staying on to cool the engine, but now I wonder if it might be something else? Regen?? I assumed the engine would stay on, not just the fan.

You can tell it's doing a regen by the slightly raised revs at idle and the fan staying on for a bit when turning the car off.
 
Can someone kindly give me a short explanation on regen please? I notice both my Passat and T6 Shuttle have the fan on once I turn the engine off and lock the vehicles, when walking away. Initially I assumed it was just a warm engine with the fan staying on to cool the engine, but now I wonder if it might be something else? Regen?? I assumed the engine would stay on, not just the fan.
In those situations, you will find that the regeneration has probably not been completed and will start again about 10 minutes into your next drive.
 
Hmm, I can't say I have noticed it whilst driving. Occasionally the Start-Stop won't happen when stationary but I put that down to it needing a charge.
I notice the fan stays on on e I have arrived at my destination (home say after a school run) and when I turn the engine off, the fan stays on for a period afterwards.

Thanks for the link, very informative
 
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Burning oil will creating soot which will block the DPF and EGR. It will also foul the injectors and cause incomplete combustion creating yet more soot.
Check you don’t have an external oil leak such as crankshaft seal failure.
A compression test will reveal any cylinder / piston damage, although unlikely it could be valve damage. A good mechanic will be able to determine between piston/ cylinder and valve damage by injecting a slug of oil into the cylinder to creat a temporary improvement in the piston / cylinder seal.
If the compression test is good it maybe a turbo seal passing oil. Check the induction after the turbo chargers (boost hose to charge air cooler) to see if it is very oily.
An engine oil analysis is well worth doing, not expensive and providing the input data (from you) is correct it will provide the tester with enough information to make an informed opinion on what is happening within the engine.
Frequent re-generations will no doubt causing diesel wash, damaging the bores / pistons and causing fuel dilution, another good reason for an oil analysis.
340K Km is not a concern as long as the engine has been serviced correctly, most important that the correct oil type is used though.
Thank you very much for response, do you maybe know what does "exaust gas jet volume in particle filter" means, and what should be value at idle or 2000rpm. mine is 700m3/h at 2000 rpm and 80 at 800 rpm.
 
car consumes about 1 liter of oil in about 1200 kn, is this reasonwha it fills DPF or maybe something else. what should I measure to check problem. Thank you.
VW's considers engine oil consumption above 0.5 litres/1000 km excessive.

what does "exaust gas jet volume in particle filter" means, and what should be value at idle or 2000rpm. mine is 700m3/h at 2000 rpm and 80 at 800 rpm.
I believe it's just a calculated value based on actual/metered air intake + EGR valve position + fuel injected (combustion expanding exhaust volume).

Are your values under no load conditions - van at standstill?

Anyways, found in my logs engine idling (830 rpm) "Exhaust gas jet volume in particle filter" approx. 80 m³/h when EGR is closed (position 0% = no recirculation).
Respectively EGR at position 31% the measurement value "Exhaust gas jet volume in particle filter" is approx. 31 m³/h.

At standstill on full throttle (2500 rpm) the measurement value "Exhaust gas jet volume in particle filter" was approx. 180 m³/h with EGR at 44%.

The above were recorded engine hot, intake air temperature +1°C
[Log 2022-02-28-B]

To get better view I think relevant measurements would be the following - at standstill hot engine idling:
IDE07744 - Particle filter: air pressure sensor 1 bank 1: raw value
IDE00347 - Air mass: actual value​
IDE07757 - Exhaust recirc.valve 1 bank 1: posit.feedback - Actual value​
IDE04090 - Exhaust temperature bank 1 S1/S2/S3/S4​
IDE00434 Particle filter: soot mass calculated​
IDE00435 Particle filter: soot mass measured​
IDE00436 Particle filter: kilometers since last regeneration​
IDE01407 Particle filter: fuel consumption since last regeneration​
IDE06059 Particulate filter: oil ash mass​
Do you have VCDS?
 
Mine is currently doing regen very frequently since it’s last full service . It’s basically doing a regen every two days and it takes quite a long time .. it’s extremely annoying and it’s noticeable more frequent since the service . No difference in my driving patterns at all .the stench of it is also annoying as you can smell it in the van .
 
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