Excessive outer tyre wear on rear 20’s

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Hi, I have a LWB T32 on eibach coilovers and 20” super metal tridents clad in 265/40 eagle F1 tyres runNing at 42 psi on the rear. The van is racked out and carries a reasonable load all the time, tools and materials. The van wore the last set of rear tyres on the inside edge down to the cores as I think it was too low when loaded up and was rubbing on the inner arch at times . I then raised the rear to nearly the highest setting for the eibachs and everything seemed ok but I have now noticed that the outer edge of both rear tyres has excessive wear this time and the middle and inner are wearing evenly.
Would it be a good idea to get the power flex bushes fitted and another laser alignment, and would this fix the problem.
Any sugestions on what to do would be appreciated.
 
Have you done an alignment after changing the height? Altering ride height affects the toe so that would be the cause of your tyre wear.
 
I haven’t had it done since I raised it back up. Does it need any specific settings as it’s lowered or are the factory settings ok. I know that last time it was done the guys wanted the van empty but this was not possible as it is racked out with drawers and shelving for all my work stuff and would of been a nightmare to remove. Would this make a difference to the settings needed?
 
I haven’t had it done since I raised it back up. Does it need any specific settings as it’s lowered or are the factory settings ok. I know that last time it was done the guys wanted the van empty but this was not possible as it is racked out with drawers and shelving for all my work stuff and would of been a nightmare to remove. Would this make a difference to the settings needed?
There is a thread all about the alignment settings…. I’ll try to find it and link it if I can, but basically what you need to do is, as @Deaky says, get your ride height where you want it, then get it Hunter aligned on the ‘No Load’ setting. This is very important. Take your van for the alignment as you always run it (with your normal load/racking/tools etc, etc) and with the no load setting it should set up perfectly. :thumbsup:

 
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Oops, I thought it was the fully loaded setting to simulate the van being low due to the weight?
 
Oops, I thought it was the fully loaded setting to simulate the van being low due to the weight?
It’s easy to think that, but it’s not the case. This is copied from a post of mine on another thread, trying to explain why the no load settings should usually be used. It talks more about the rear as it’s the rear that was being discussed at the time…..

The different load settings are to allow an alignment to be done when the van isn’t carrying it’s normal load. When having alignment done, you should ideally arrive with your van carrying whatever load it normally carries, or empty if that’s normal. If you have some weight in there that you wouldn’t normally have, the half load settings might be appropriate. If you are fully loaded, close to, or at the limit of the van, but you wouldn’t normally be, the full load settings are appropriate.

When you have an alignment done using "half" or "full" load, the machine assumes that you are carrying more load than you normally would be, so it assumes that your van is sitting lower than it normally would. The outcome of this is that it adjusts the target "green" tolerance to compensate.

As you lower a T6 and especially on the rear end you will get toe in and negative camber. This is simply because of the geometry of the rear arms and their mounting points.

So, the machine thinks your van is sitting lower than it normally would and adjusts the target numbers to be that for a van sitting higher, it thinks that your wheels don't usually toe in as much as they are and so it doesn't ask the fitter to correct them (as much as it should). It will allow that number to go green when they are still toeing in, assuming that when you get home and take the load out of the van it will sit higher and the toe in will reduce to correct settings. What it doesn't know is that you aren't taking any load out of the van at all, so your suspension geometry doesn't change, the wheels continue to toe in too much and you ruin your rear tyres in no time!

When you have it done with "no load" settings, the machine sets the target numbers assuming that your van runs at it's current ride height and therefore suspension geometry all the time. That means it uses the correct targets for how your van is sitting at the time of the alignment. That gives a toe in target much closer to 0 and makes sure that you get the alignment you need to look after your tyres correctly. This becomes more and more critical the lower your van goes, simply because the lower you go, the further the wheels will toe in until there is no adjustment left.

At some good places, it wouldn’t matter what the target tolerances are, because they will get as close to the centre of the target as possible. The problem is really when a lazy worker will make enough adjustment just to get the result green as quickly as possible, rather than aiming for the centre. On full load settings that can leave you a long way from optimum, but he doesn’t care because he can go back to watching football on his phone.
 
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Thanks for all the replies, really helpful. My new rear tyres have just arrived so will get the van booked in and set up correctly.
Any recommendations of where to take it, I’m based in Crawley near Gatwick airport.
Thanks again
 
Right, I’ve just swapped onto some 18” for winter and taken my 20’s off and they’re completely gone on outer edge.

265/40/20 Eagle F1 Asym3’s 9x20 rims.
Tyre pressure 38-40 ish. It was Running it around 38, but upped it to 40 when noticed the wear.

Front are wearing evenly.

I just double checked the alignment with string. All as per expected TBH. Rear camber is coming at around 2.8degrees. Fronts are 1.5deg.
Any known causes for the tyre wear? I’ve never had a vehicle eat the outer edges before :rolleyes:

It’s a Sportline SWB on Eibach’s as low as they go. It has got HR Arb’s and I do tend to drive it quick so could be working the rear tyres hard.

Any ideas?

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It's got to be alignment related in my opinion. See the above discussion.
I ran my van for about 18 months lowered 100mm. This was without adjustable bushes and you could see the excessive rear camber. Even so, my rear tyres were worn completely evenly.
Admittedly I have 17's and the bigger tyres may be able to distort a little more to accommodate camber issues?
Either way, I don't thinks it's the height.
 
No doubt, but just puzzled why the van is eating the outers. Typically it’s the inners that get it with the toe in, especially with the increased camber, there’s clearly some significant movement to get tyre to really load up the outer edge.

I note the workshop specs are around 0.08-0.1deg toe in so very little toe, so will see if there’s any room left on the adjuster, else it’s adjustable bushes time i think.
 
I’m going back to @BognorMotors this week for a full alignment, ever since I’ve had Koni’s fitted my alignment and steering wheel have been borked.

I’ve tried 3 local companies and then Wheel Alignment Solutions in Southampton and none of them have managed to get the van pointing in a straight line.

My OSF Powerflex adjuster is going to need some heat/release spray as apparently it’s seized.
 
Finally!!!

After a visit to @BognorMotors my van now drives in a straight line with a steering wheel at 12:00.

For reference please avoid the following muppets in Poole and Bournemouth areas -

Queens Park Motors - all the gear, no idea

Rentech - useless, utterly useless

Protyre Charminster - chimps, again, all the gear and no idea how to use it

And finally,

Wheel Alignment Solutions - a ‘specialist’ deserves extra special praise for being utterly hopeless, how can they do this full time so badly?!
 
No problem at all, we do need to chat in the new year about what you have in the way of 6.1 4 Mo’s coming from the factory, pretty sure a new wet belt Frankenporter isn’t going to work for me.
We have a few coming, some have already arrived, so call when suits :cool:
 
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