I hate Bournemouth... now... V3.11...

[Sackmycook]

PentiP is a national system used by police forces in England and Wales to process and report data on fixed penalty notices (FPNs). It replaced the older Vehicle Procedures and Fixed Penalty Office (VP/FPO) system in 2011. PentiP is used for a variety of motoring offences, low-level anti-social behavior offences, and offenses under the Penalty Notice for Disorder (PND) scheme.

PentiP is a central database that collects and reports data on fixed penalty notices, including those issued for speeding, red-light offenses, and other motoring violations.

 

[nigelcro]

There is a bus lane just outside Wimbledon Station - Do Not even cross the last 6" of it as you turn left to head down to the Car Park, Merton Council will ping you a ticket as soon as they wake up. Don't even try saying you were moving into an available lane without inconveniencing any form of public transport in order to reduce the congestion at the lights - 60 of your finest British Pounds please - at least it isn't a points offence, but I do wonder how much revenue they generate and I also wonder if they deliberately push the bus lane as close to the lights as possible to trap as many drivers as possible? (cynical, moi?)

 

[Sasquatch]

PentiP is a national system used by police forces in England and Wales to process and report data on fixed penalty notices (FPNs). It replaced the older Vehicle Procedures and Fixed Penalty Office (VP/FPO) system in 2011. PentiP is used for a variety of motoring offences, low-level anti-social behavior offences, and offenses under the Penalty Notice for Disorder (PND) scheme.

PentiP is a central database that collects and reports data on fixed penalty notices, including those issued for speeding, red-light offenses, and other motoring violations.

As of when I retired it didn't record the awareness courses, though that might have changed since I went as the stone age was just giving way to the iron age.

 

[cgtmiles]

Is it not the case that insurance ask for confirmation that you have not received an offence and not just whether you have received points? Therefore does it make a difference to insurance whether you take the course or points, for sure you would have to inform them

 

[Badjamin]

Here's my story. Driving up Elland bypass got clocked doin 58 in a 50. My fault. First offense. Drivin 20 years nearly. My absurd ADHD means I tend to not get administrative things updated. My first name (not used) is Adam. My third Name is Ben and this is what I am called... my V5 for the mondeo had Ben on it and my license has Adam and my other middle name and has never had Ben on it. I just assumed they didn't have room... so apparantly they sent a letter out to me and I didn't respond. The (apparently) second letter arrived and said there were now two charges, failing to confirm identity and the speeding felony.... so I immediately reaponded apologetically, tried to explain I hadn't received the first notification and humbly and pathetically begged them for mercy and a speed awareness course.... they absolutely crucified me. £710 and three points with no option for SAC. I guess I'm at fault in both instances but wow...

So yeah 3 points definitely affected my insurance. Do the SAC!

 

[Sackmycook]

Is it not the case that insurance ask for confirmation that you have not received an offence and not just whether you have received points? Therefore does it make a difference to insurance whether you take the course or points, for sure you would have to inform them

"Accidents, claims or convictions....."

I don't think a diversion course counts as a conviction

If they ask the specific question, then they get the answer

 

[SkyeBlue]

Well that's taken a bit of the shine off of dropping in to visit the in-laws at Ferndown on the way back from Brixham.
Yep I managed to attract the attention of the sub contract law enforcement speed camera at West Howe and posted 35 mph in a 30 limit, it's actually dual carriageway at this point but I was on the inside lane.
Anyway prior to this apart from street drifting and late night cannonball runs in the camper I've had a clean licence for 20yrs plus but given the options of paying and sucking it up or paying extra and a speed awareness course with no points ie. bribery or finally contesting the offence I'm wondering what others might think or have experienced?
At present I feel like writing FOAD! all over their reply form but I have a feeling the process is automated and their computer will ignore my futile anger, just looking for the bank details.
I know I always come on here and bleat about the latest imposition on my low energy lifestyle but I can see why people sod off to France and Spain to see out their days, at least it's warm there.

After 43 years of driving I got caught last year and I was so gutted. I chose to do the course and found it surprisingly enjoyable because we had a lovely chap leading it and the other participants were good fun. I realised how easy it is to make a speed mistake (mine was on a dual carriageway that kept changing the speed limit) so didn’t want to accrue any more points. I agree it’s a pain when generally we try to do the right thing!

 

[Skyliner33]

I put my front 2 wheels in a box junction in London a couple of years ago.....unfamiliar road, dark with driving rain and Rugby traffic. Had to pay Khan a fair few quid for that, no option of a course

You should try driving around greater Manchester. I would estimate 75% of people totally ignore the yellow boxes. And if you do some twunt will overtake and use the box to pull back in hence blocking it. Boils my pi$$.

 

[Cherokee]

Well that's taken a bit of the shine off of dropping in to visit the in-laws at Ferndown on the way back from Brixham.
Yep I managed to attract the attention of the sub contract law enforcement speed camera at West Howe and posted 35 mph in a 30 limit, it's actually dual carriageway at this point but I was on the inside lane.
Anyway prior to this apart from street drifting and late night cannonball runs in the camper I've had a clean licence for 20yrs plus but given the options of paying and sucking it up or paying extra and a speed awareness course with no points ie. bribery or finally contesting the offence I'm wondering what others might think or have experienced?
At present I feel like writing FOAD! all over their reply form but I have a feeling the process is automated and their computer will ignore my futile anger, just looking for the bank details.
I know I always come on here and bleat about the latest imposition on my low energy lifestyle but I can see why people sod off to France and Spain to see out their days, at least it's

Still, at least you didn’t venture into Bournemouth town centre, as you would be more likely to get stabbed rather than caught speeding.

 

[Bav]

Is it not the case that insurance ask for confirmation that you have not received an offence and not just whether you have received points? Therefore does it make a difference to insurance whether you take the course or points, for sure you would have to inform them

If an insurer asks you directly about SACs, you're obliged to tell them, otherwise you're entitled to keep shtum.

 

[Sasquatch]

After 43 years of driving I got caught last year and I was so gutted. I chose to do the course and found it surprisingly enjoyable because we had a lovely chap leading it and the other participants were good fun. I realised how easy it is to make a speed mistake (mine was on a dual carriageway that kept changing the speed limit) so didn’t want to accrue any more points. I agree it’s a pain when generally we try to do the right thing!

I got caught once, but got away with it.

The NIP came in, 46 in a 40 zone.

But that was materially incorrect. A few weeks before it had been dropped to a 30 zone, and clearly either they didn't realise or hadn't updated their systems (and I had been very naughty.)

I waited until about 1555hrs on day 14 then phoned prosecutions (they closed at 1600hrs) and told them of their mistake. The next day the sergeant on the unit rang me back and advised that I was correct and they had no choice now but to drop it. And he gave me a bollocking.

I learned my lesson from that, I'm anal about observing the limit.

 

[dubber36]

If an insurer asks you directly about SACs, you're obliged to tell them, otherwise you're entitled to keep shtum.

Some insurance algorithms see having been on one as a good thing. Additional driver training.

 

[Teesix]

The problem with these cameras is that they don't tell the whole story. Just a split second one. I've been stopped a few times in my youth days when we had actual coppers on the roads. Old school coppers, the ones who used common sense to deal with situations. On all the occasions I was stopped, I was either sent away with a big flea in my ear or a lengthy lecture on the stupidity of my driving. It was those moments that helped shape and improve my driving skills to become the (relatively) safe and attentive driver I am today. Speed cameras rarely have that effect.

 

[Bav]

Some insurance algorithms see having been on one as a good thing. Additional driver training.

True, but tricky to know which insurers will look on it as a positive and which will treat it as evidence of speeding.