Michelin Cross-Climate 2 - Probably the best T6 tyre in the world?

[chriscroft]

Michelin CrossClimate SUV 255/55 R18 at Blackcircles.com

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£542 for 4 -£75 (cash back) = £116.75 each inc VAT inc Delivery (+£15 fitting and balancing each) = £131.75 each all in.........Pretty good value IMO

 

[Linoleum Bonypart]

In need of 4 tyres spotted the mcc offer... Question is do you wait for the brand new designs from both nokian L and Michelin or go for the old model with the savings.... Quandary

 

[IestynD]

Help
I’ve fallen down a rabbit hole!!,

I’m looking for tyres, at the moment the van has 18” sport lines T5.1 currently running 255/45/R18. Gallapro or something or other. They are awful, they get stuck in a muddy puddle, let alone a camp site!,
My friend says BF Goodrich’s. they don’t have the exact size match but I’m sure I could get something close.
Reviews are ok, wet weather braking is a B
I’m worried road noise will be an issue and handling. Yes it will get me out of a campsite the 8 times a year we go on the grass! It’s a bit overkill!!!

Looked at Goodyear vector 4 season. The wet braking is a C.

Michelin cross climates are a B

I’m tempted by the Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetric. A for wet breaking. Anyone run these on a camper? Do they get you off the grass ok?

What other options are worth a look? I want to get them bought this coming week.

Thank you all for any feedback. Always appreciated.

Google has raised more questions than answers

 

[Carbon13]

Crossclimate 2s are great as a 3 season tyre but NOT for summer use on a camper in my experience. In the heat they get way too soft and can get squirrelly, I've run them in the UK, France and Spain between -5 and 30 and they do almost everything really well just not temps above 23 there of thereabouts.

 

[t6_tom]

Crossclimate 2s are great as a 3 season tyre but NOT for summer use on a camper in my experience. In the heat they get way too soft and can get squirrelly, I've run them in the UK, France and Spain between -5 and 30 and they do almost everything really well just not temps above 23 there of thereabouts.

I have found the goodyear vector 4 seasons gen 2 to have the same issue. Ended up using them as a winter tire.

 

[Crooky]

I am running these Avon ZX7 - Tyre Tests and Reviews @ Tyre Reviews on a T30 camper - they were cheapish and are much better than what I had on before. Great when dry, feel safe in the wet, provide confidence when braking in either and are pretty quiet on the motorway. Not sure about wear yet - not been out too much this past 10 months. Probably not so good in the current icy conditions or on really slippy surfaces, but I've got an A4 Quattro on MCC's for those days so don't expect to be finding that out. When I did get out this (last) year they did not get me stuck in any fields..but conditions were good so they may yet of course!

 

[Higgidav]

I’ve been looking for All Seasons for some new alloys and narrowed it down to Crossclimate’s and Goodyear Vector 4Seasons Gen3. Both have been out for stock for weeks but now seem to be available again albeit with a hefty price tag.

I’m after 245/45/19 with a 102 load rating. The Goodyear’s are available in two variants, one having SUV added to the title. According to Blackcircles the SUV tyre has a more reinforced side wall and is primarily targeted at 4x4’s. Both are still 102 load rated.

Given that there is no difference in the price which one would everyone go for? I don’t have a 4motion but I am thinking having the extra reinforcement wont do any harm. Thoughts?

 

[chriscroft]

This could be the most vacuous answer ever posted on this forum................ The MCC just looks better, particularly as their tread profile moves onto the sidewall more so, than many other All-Seasons. I used to love my Nokian Weatherproofs, and they work very well.......but their tread just stops too soon.

 

[Linoleum Bonypart]

I dont think the mcc is chunky enough

 

[chriscroft]

I dont think the mcc is chunky enough

I agree, but out of the two options the MCC wins IMO; the MCC2 is even better, and actually, the Nokian is the most chunky when you look face on; but viewed in side profile the MCC is better. I think I've got all these variants in my possession at this moment. Including the Michelin Agilis CC, which looks fab, just limited in sizes; and has very high loadings for a T6
Having said all that; I've ditched the lot and gone for Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus; It makes no sense, but boy, they do look good.

 

[RedUn]

Thought I'd update this thread for anyone searching the forum for tyres.

I had some crossclimate 2's fitted about a week or so ago, the recent reviews have been excellent and as a bit of a tyre geek it just had to be done. I've previously always ran summer and winter tyres so it's my first experience with some all seasons

Previous tyres where Goodyear Eagle F1 assymetric 5s.

Size 255/45/18 103 XL for the both of them on a Revo'd 150 kombi, lowered arbs etc usual light to medium loading.

I've now done about 600 miles on them, some B road blasting, motorway miles and some wet knackered C roads.

What can I say, well they are quieter and roll better but lack some of the feel of the F1s, not surprising really.

On the motorway it was a slightly nicer place to be and my mpg genuinely seemed better but I'm not one for accurately measuring that, either way it wasn't worse.

On a soaking and flooded B road and they were outstanding, moving on to some pretty knackered C roads, again excellent.

I'm looking forward to the weather getting worse now so I can try them out some more!

from me

 

[Gazzza91]

Hello everyone. I was recently debating what tyres you get for my 140 T6 kombi (after discovering the Davanti’s that VW approved used fitted on the rear axle weren’t appropriately load rated!).

In the end I settled on Michelin cross climate 2’s in a 235/55r17 on my Devonports. This was having read loads of good reviews. And I must say, I’m quite disappointed. I used to easily eek out 40+ mpg on my short commute and 45+mpg on a run. Now I struggle to hit 35 on a commute and 40 on a run. You can feel this in acceleration/performance too. Hills that I would cruise up in 6th now require a shift to 5th.

Steering feel is a bit Woolley now too, however this doesn’t bother me as… it’s a van! More just an observation. Road noise is different, but not nescesarily better/worse. They don’t ping off speed bumps/potholes as much, but there is a slightly noticable low frequency hum.

I will say that they offer pretty decent cold weather grip though. Which is ultimately why I bought them. I was just hoping for more in the way of economy. As a result, I’ll probably be after some new wheels in the spring to run with summer tyres. Just thought I would share my experience and was wondering if anyone else has found the same?

 

[russvphoto]

That's quite odd about the mpg Gazza91, I've had them on my work van for the last 40k miles and the consumption hasn't changed by anymore than 0.2mpg on my bat up and down the A90 in Aberdeenshire. I can't say that acceleration or hill climbs have changed either.

 

[Sim60]

Hello everyone. I was recently debating what tyres you get for my 140 T6 kombi (after discovering the Davanti’s that VW approved used fitted on the rear axle weren’t appropriately load rated!).

In the end I settled on Michelin cross climate 2’s in a 235/55r17 on my Devonports. This was having read loads of good reviews. And I must say, I’m quite disappointed. I used to easily eek out 40+ mpg on my short commute and 45+mpg on a run. Now I struggle to hit 35 on a commute and 40 on a run. You can feel this in acceleration/performance too. Hills that I would cruise up in 6th now require a shift to 5th.

Steering feel is a bit Woolley now too, however this doesn’t bother me as… it’s a van! More just an observation. Road noise is different, but not nescesarily better/worse. They don’t ping off speed bumps/potholes as much, but there is a slightly noticable low frequency hum.

I will say that they offer pretty decent cold weather grip though. Which is ultimately why I bought them. I was just hoping for more in the way of economy. As a result, I’ll probably be after some new wheels in the spring to run with summer tyres. Just thought I would share my experience and was wondering if anyone else has found the same?

I’ve just moved from the standard vancontacts 215/60 R17 to CC2 235/55 17 and my first impressions are the opposite - average fuel consumption used to be in the high 30s but now seems to be up to 40’s - too early to tell for definite though . This is on my T32 4motion

What tyre pressure are you running?

Simon

 

[Carbon13]

I've just put 4000 miles on my Crossclimate+ SUV XL 215 65 16s in the last 6 weeks across France and Spain. Temps from -3 to 25 C, all conditions, m'ways, muddy campsites, gravel roads, plus snowy and icy conditions in the Pyrenees and the Auvergne......comfortable, quiet, economical and faultless running. They'll still be coming off for next summer as they don't like very warm weather and are a bit squishy when I tow the caravan, highly recommended.

 

[VanDamMan]

Reading the mixed posts regarding MPG…..having had the CC for a few months ( but also had DSG Remap’d) I’ve not noticed any drop in fuel use ….but is so grippy on all types of road/grass ….I’d say in a lot of cases we are guilty of running tyres too soft to get better comfort and even worse don’t check them ( pressure) as often as we should …I run on 3bar (T32 204) this week did a 350 mile round trip…and got caught up on The M6 Shutdown and used country roads to get home ( towing my little trailer ) still averaged. 37 MPG… but god bless Michelin

 

[jdo]

Thanks for all the input, it's really useful for a numpty like me!

I am about to have 4 All Season tyres fitted and have settled on the Michelin CC's. However, I'm not quite sure what my options are/which model to go for. I have a 2018 T6 T28 campervan conversion which currently has the original Hankook RA28E in 205/65 R16C 107/105T on Clayton's. The online tyre retailers default to the Agilis CrossClimate which I believe is the van specific tyre in the CC range. Other's in this thread have fitted CrossClimate 2's or CrossClimate+ SUV XL etc. I think the choice of which model CC is appropriate for each vehicle depends on wheel size and load rating?

For my vehicle, if I go with the same size tyre as currently fitted (205/65 16), the choice is the Agilis CrossClimate (107 load rating) however a tyre size 215/65 16 throws up the options of:
1) CrossClimate 2 XL 215/65 16 V(102) (there is also a 98 load rated option but from checking @Pauly pinned post about tyres and wheels I need minimum 100 load rating for my T28)

2) Agilis CrossClimate 215/65 16 T(106)

3) Agilis CrossClimate 215/65 16 T(109)

As a road and cross cyclist, I'm acutely aware of the impact tyres have on the ride quality of a bike - differing tyre width, latex vs butyl inner tubes, using handmade tubulars/open tubulars with incredibly flexible side walls vs stiff, tread design etc. and also crucially having the right pressure has a huge impact. What I don't know is how the various options for car/van tyres affect the ride quality and safety/performance.

For example, would the CrossClimate 2 XL 215/65 16 V (102) give a better ride quality due to having a lower load rating (which I assume means less stiff sidewall?) than the Agilis CrossClimate 215/65 16 T(106) (which in turn would be better than the 109)? Or would I simply not notice

Is it appropriate for me to consider the 215/65 size tyre rather than the 205/65? If it is appropriate, any thoughts on the differences in performance between the CrossClimate2, CrossClimate+ and the Agilis CrossClimate?

Apologies for all the questions, as you can see I've got myself a bit lost!

 

[Carbon13]

Thanks for all the input, it's really useful for a numpty like me!

I am about to have 4 All Season tyres fitted and have settled on the Michelin CC's. However, I'm not quite sure what my options are/which model to go for. I have a 2018 T6 T28 campervan conversion which currently has the original Hankook RA28E in 205/65 R16C 107/105T on Clayton's. The online tyre retailers default to the Agilis CrossClimate which I believe is the van specific tyre in the CC range. Other's in this thread have fitted CrossClimate 2's or CrossClimate+ SUV XL etc. I think the choice of which model CC is appropriate for each vehicle depends on wheel size and load rating?

For my vehicle, if I go with the same size tyre as currently fitted (205/65 16), the choice is the Agilis CrossClimate (107 load rating) however a tyre size 215/65 16 throws up the options of:
1) CrossClimate 2 XL 215/65 16 V(102) (there is also a 98 load rated option but from checking @Pauly pinned post about tyres and wheels I need minimum 100 load rating for my T28)

2) Agilis CrossClimate 215/65 16 T(106)

3) Agilis CrossClimate 215/65 16 T(109)

As a road and cross cyclist, I'm acutely aware of the impact tyres have on the ride quality of a bike - differing tyre width, latex vs butyl inner tubes, using handmade tubulars/open tubulars with incredibly flexible side walls vs stiff, tread design etc. and also crucially having the right pressure has a huge impact. What I don't know is how the various options for car/van tyres affect the ride quality and safety/performance.

For example, would the CrossClimate 2 XL 215/65 16 V (102) give a better ride quality due to having a lower load rating (which I assume means less stiff sidewall?) than the Agilis CrossClimate 215/65 16 T(106) (which in turn would be better than the 109)? Or would I simply not notice

Is it appropriate for me to consider the 215/65 size tyre rather than the 205/65? If it is appropriate, any thoughts on the differences in performance between the CrossClimate2, CrossClimate+ and the Agilis CrossClimate?

Apologies for all the questions, as you can see I've got myself a bit lost!

I have a T28 camper conversion with uprated rear springs, I went with CC+ SUV XL 215 65 16s on a 2nd pair of Claytons just for winter use, I run them at 50psi in a van which is normally fully loaded for winter trips, 2 people, dog, clothes, food etc all the usual campervan stuff and this time with a towbar mounted bike rack fitted with a road bike and a storage box full of my cycling stuff, a couple of wetsuits etc The CC+ do indeed have a more flexible sidewall than the stock Hancooks I run over summer and they are all the better for it, they ride much more smoothly and are less harsh than the Hancooks.

For a bike comparison it's like going from a 23 to a 28 and wondering why you didn't do it years ago.......I've gone 32 now and it's even better

 

[Ayjay]

@Carbon13 - Your first para above makes me wonder why you would ever bother going back to the Hanlooks if the Cross Climates are so good. Speaking personally, I found the Hankooks to be irredeemably bad when I had 16" wheels and just couldn't wait to be rid of them!

On your second para, I seem to recall that the reason we all rode 23s at the time was that the science told everybody that the narrower the tyre, the less drag and more aerodynamic it was - until, that it, the science was found to be wrong and we now all know that you can go big (within reason) without losing the other benefits.

 

[jdo]

I have a T28 camper conversion with uprated rear springs, I went with CC+ SUV XL 215 65 16s on a 2nd pair of Claytons just for winter use, I run them at 50psi in a van which is normally fully loaded for winter trips, 2 people, dog, clothes, food etc all the usual campervan stuff and this time with a towbar mounted bike rack fitted with a road bike and a storage box full of my cycling stuff, a couple of wetsuits etc The CC+ do indeed have a more flexible sidewall than the stock Hancooks I run over summer and they are all the better for it, they ride much more smoothly and are less harsh than the Hancooks.

For a bike comparison it's like going from a 23 to a 28 and wondering why you didn't do it years ago.......I've gone 32 now and it's even better

@Carbon13 Thanks for your reply and the bike analogy. I'm completely with you on the 23's to 28's etc. - I've just put some 29 FMB open tubular's on my 'summer' bike and they're oh so smooth!

(You might as well have been describing my set up regarding 2 people, dog, bikes, wetsuits etc. (though I manage to get away with the bikes inside)!)