Powerpart PDU replacement - Are these a straight swap out?

My campervan is basically three years old and I'm sure the Powerpart unit internal 12v supply has died. Checked that hookup electric is getting there, all breakers and fuses are sound, everything on the 12v system works as long as I charge the leisure battery "manually", and the Sterling BB charger seems to be behaving itself predictably (ie now reporting 12v input is low when on hookup, which I understand is from the Powerpart's 12v internal unit which I think is the issue)

Question is: I've seen listings of what look almost the same thing (ie Powerpart PDU), but say "new version" in the details... but are these new versions a straight swap out? ie, disconnect all the plugs, remove unit, put new one in, reconnect the harness plugs?

Any help very gratefully appreciated,
 
Hi. DId you get this sorted? Did you ever charge the LB battery with the Powerpart PDU connected to EHU 230v? Did you swap it out?
 
On the Powerpart PDU device I opted to switch off the built in circuit breaker for the internal 12v power unit inside the Powerpart PDU, and use a Victron Blue Smart battery charger set to Power Supply mode instead. The result is basically the camper still has a good and stable 12v supply keeping things running (and the leisure battery topped up). Works a treat for me anyway.
The only thing I've done with the Powerpart PDU thing (other than turn off the internal 12v unit as I described above) is used the 'spare' mains electricity outlet to install a dedicated power socket to supply the Victron.
What I've found is that I can now see what the power supply is doing using the Victron app from the Play Store, which gives a good indication of how the battery is performing (eg I can monitor how much amperage the battery is drawing when it's powered up on the hook-up).
I can also switch it between battery charging mode and power supply mode, which then gives the ability to control the voltage.
I hope that helps! I'll be honest, I think the Powerpart PDU isn't really up to the job, especially as the Sterling battery-to-battery charger can allow the vehicle battery (and as a result for example the diesel glow plugs when you turn on the ignition) to drag up to its rated 30A when you turn the ignition key on! Not healthy for a power supply like the Powerpart that I don't think can regulate to cater for that! I think that might be why it died after a couple of years. The Victron seems better equipped to manage it and not allow itself to get overloaded for those short bursts.
I hope that helps?
 
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On the Powerpart PDU device I opted to switch off the built in circuit breaker for the internal 12v power unit inside the Powerpart PDU, and use a Victron Blue Smart battery charger set to Power Supply mode instead. The result is basically the camper still has a good and stable 12v supply keeping things running (and the leisure battery topped up). Works a treat for me anyway.
The only thing I've done with the Powerpart PDU thing (other than turn off the internal 12v unit as I described above) is used the 'spare' mains electricity outlet to install a dedicated power socket to supply the Victron.
What I've found is that I can now see what the power supply is doing using the Victron app from the Play Store, which gives a good indication of how the battery is performing (eg I can monitor how much amperage the battery is drawing when it's powered up on the hook-up).
I can also switch it between battery charging mode and power supply mode, which then gives the ability to control the voltage.
I hope that helps! I'll be honest, I think the Powerpart PDU isn't really up to the job, especially as the Sterling battery-to-battery charger can allow the vehicle battery (and as a result for example the diesel glow plugs when you turn on the ignition) to drag up to its rated 30A when you turn the ignition key on! Not healthy for a power supply like the Powerpart that I don't think can regulate to cater for that! I think that might be why it died after a couple of years. The Victron seems better equipped to manage it and not allow itself to get overloaded for those short bursts.
I hope that helps?
Hi there. I'm not knowledgeable enough to really understand this. I'm yet to work out what has actually failed. I can a clamp meter, Are you able to suggest what check I can make? My set up is as follows:
. Powerpart PDU
. Leisure battery (get charged via a Sterling Unit - when engine running); used to charge when 230V EHU plugged in. Now doesnt.
. Van conversion electrics working , all 12v lights, fridge etc,
. Van conversion 230V sockets working when EHU hooked up and on.
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If you disconnect both batteries, and plug in teh EHU, do you still get 12V power?

If so, the power supply (charger) is working.
 
If you disconnect both batteries, and plug in teh EHU, do you still get 12V power?

If so, the power supply (charger) is working.
That's about it I guess, use a voltmeter to check the at the cable end when you've taken them off the battery. Connect the hook-up to see if the power supply, well, supplies power.
Sounds similar to what happened to mine, as I say I've effectively bypassed the Powerpart supply unit with the Victron straight onto the leisure battery leaving everything else in place as was (aside isolating the Powerpart 12v using its dedicated circuit breaker on the front). Works great, especially as everything else is still working. Like you said Pidsley, it's just that the 12v supply inside the Powerpart doesn't charge when on the hook-up so it's likely it's the same thing that's packed up.

 
Also Pidsley, how did you get the Powerpart open like that? Mine looks the same but it doesn't look obviously openable if that makes sense?

If it's of use I also found the manual for said unit here;

Useful for me to identify what the connectivity on the underside is, thus adding another mains electric socket under it for the Victron to plug in.
I'll be honest, if I can open mine like you have I might look to modify it with another 12v charger unit, safety and fitting aspect pending of course...
 
Thank you all for your replies. Where do find and how do I access the 12v breaker in the PSU?

To open it it all up and just undid the mounting screws and then further screws on the inside.
 
Thank you all for your replies. Where do find and how do I access the 12v breaker in the PSU?

The breaker would be one of the electrical circuit breakers on the front panel. You can access them directly without the Powerpart being opened.
If you refer to the manual (link I added earlier) you'll identify it as the 6Amp beaker, as all that breaker does is provide electricity to the internal 12v power unit (ie the thing that's suspected as not working). I've added a couple of shots of their manual and added a bit of poorly drawn labelling if that helps. Sorry about the handwriting with the mouse lol

It clearly shows that the 6A breaker only provides power to the 12v internal unit, which is why I've turned that off. In doing so it means my Powerpart's 12v internal unit is shut off so won't cause any issues later one, for example heaven forbid it go seriously wrong and burst into flames or anything!
That means the Victron power supply/charger I'm using is the sole source of power for the 12v camper systems via the leisure battery.

I hope that helps.


Bit more info here though:
Since delving into all this I've discovered that the Sterling B-B can allow up to 30 Amps from one battery to the other (ie leisure and vehicle batteries), whichever needs it at the time, which is its purpose I suppose. With this being the Transporter T6.1 it has the start-stop system and vehicle battery to match... and being of course diesel if has glow plugs to warm things before engine start... The result of all that? The engine might take a peak of 50 or more amps to heat the glow plugs and start the engine, which then needs to be put rapidly back into the start-stop vehicle battery... As a result the Sterling wakes up and drags as much as it can from the leisure battery side of things, especially if the voltage is nice after being topped up on the EHU... but also if on the EHU at the time it will shove as much amperage as it can to the vehicle battery until that's charged. The result of that is whatever 12v power unit is in the camper it tries to load that too, and given that the Powerpart internal 12v (actually rated at 13.8v I think) is effectively rated at 10A max output it's effectively like trying to short circuit the power unit's output! It simply can't deliver the demand.
Result of that is leisure battery gets a massive drain to top up vehicle battery and the 12v power supply is left floundering to keep that topped up.
I'm 99.99% convinced that's why the Powerpart internal power unit failed in the first place, it's simply not up to the demand. Given a couple of years use it's likely they're all packing up. If they were rated at 30A it might be ok, but they're not.
This is why I've opted not to swap out the Powerpart unit, whether the "new" versions are a direct swap or not. Using a higher quality, higher power rated power supply like the one I've now got I think is the best way, well for me it's working brilliantly anyway.

I hope this has been of help



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This is brilliant. I'll have a good look at the weekend. Thank you so much.
You're welcome. If it's been of help I'm over the moon.
Do check which of your circuit breakers is the 6A one, as I think the different versions of the Powerpart thing have the circuit breakers different in different position! I'm fairly sure looking at the photo of yours it's the one on the far left, the same as the manual's picture I added but check as I say, a quick glance and you'll see which is which. If you turn the other one off (the 16 Amp) you'll just get no electricity from any sockets in your camper, or the main circuit breaker RCD with the test button will kill power to everything. You'll surely know if you switch off the wrong one!
I hope that helps and you solve your issues, as I've already said for my purposes I've left the 6A breaker off so the Powerpart internal power unit (the one that's packed up) never gets powered up again and I've used a third party (Victron Blue Smart) power supply/charger in its place.
Good luck with it
 
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