Retrofitting a Powered 6 Way Seat Base (Ricon/Elap) to a T5.1

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I searched high and low for this information when setting out on my project so I thought I’d post a wee story to help anyone else starting out on a similar journey.

I needed a WAV, specifically with a side lift and given how they often get snapped up by camper conversionists etc they’re actually not all that easy to come across when you need one.

When I did find a T5.1 with a fabulous spec and low mileage, the only fly in the ointment was it had clearly been used to ferry someone about who stayed in their wheelchair (most likely a powerchair from the factory fitted inverter option under the passenger seat) during the journey rather than travelling up front.

That meant I’d have to work out how to get into either the passenger or drivers seats, but the Bus was too good to pass, and so Baxter arrived, won my heart and started taking all my money.

Initially the workaround was to put a campervan style swivel plate on the passenger seat so I could at least travel up front.
That was a bit of a faff because the leisure battery was too tall so it had to be removed until we could make some shims or find another fix, but the swivel function was the necessity, not the leisure power and so out the battery went.

It wasn’t lost on me that the swivel plate absolutely was not designed for me to perform all manner of acrobatics as I moved through 180° to get from my wheelchair to be facing forward as a “regular” passenger, but as a temporary fix it worked out ok for a few months.

None of the companies who install 6 Way Seats would install a second hand one, I absolutely didn’t have the cash for a brand new one (£2-3k) and it felt a total waste to know that people were ripping them out of perfectly good vehicles just because they were surplus to their requirements.
“And another thing though, what are you going to do about the handbrake?” was a line I was met with a couple of times during my enquiries. Cue some googling and Ah. Yes. Right. The handbrake.
Turns out all the adaptation companies install a hella expensive aftermarket electronic handbrake that is known to be spectacularly moody and to then fail suspiciously close to its warranty expiration date, meaning that it has to be replaced in its entirety.

Well stuff that. I’m not paying £2-3k for the seat and then £2k on top for something that’s known to be pants, there must be another workaround…

Wheelchair users are remarkable troubleshooters and problem solvers - we have to be. When you’re home alone, the power cuts out and the trip switch is in an old fashioned over the door fuse box what are you going to do? Sit there feeling hungry or work out a hack to flip that trip back to life with a hastily contrived crutch and spatula combo tool? Exactly.
Add in the fact lots of guys with Spinal Cord Injury tend to have been the thrillseeking/bikey/tinker to make it go faster types and there’s a ginormous hive mind to tap into, it didn’t disappoint.

“Why don’t you do what I did, and just use a LHD drivers seat base?” What a bloke. It’s gloriously simple, but isn’t that often the way with great solutions?!

This chap had got VWUK to source him a LHD drivers seat base, he put that under the passenger seat so that the handbrake was just the other side of the gutter and happy days the job’s a good ‘un. The handbrake is within easy reach, it’s all OEM and there’s no fear of being stranded by an expensive after market part (as I type two different friends are currently waiting on their T6.1s to return due to failures of this part, I wish I was kidding).

Only, I didn’t see why I should let VWUK charge me £670+VAT for the privilege when there are bound to be hunners of LHD driver’s seat bases for T5.1s adorning the many scrappies of Germany.

So I put google translate to work and €130 inc shipping later I had a full LHD Seat base and handbrake assembly at my door in deepest Perthshire.

I found a 6 way seat base on eBay (from someone converting a WAV to a camper, surprise surprise) paid far far too much to the courier company to ensure they would actually get it to my door and had a pal who’s handy with the spanners install it for me with the help of manuals found online and pictures from other paralysed pals who had done similar.

So now I have a fabulous Caravelle with the 150 bulletproof engine, it has wireless CarPlay, a wheelchair lift on the side, an inverter & parking heater, a six way seat so I can easily get into the passenger seat or stay as the driver (with some temporary hand controls for now, because the permanent ones are £6-700 and Vdubz like to eat our money, as has been well established) twin sliders, front & rear cameras, it’s cambelt and water pump have just been done, the 40k DSG service is due soon but apart from that all is absolutely tickety boo and I’m happier than the happiest of happy things.

Motability was absolutely zero help when I was searching for a WAV - they couldn’t understand why I needed a boot as well as a lift (can you imagine getting on and off a ferry regularly to see your family as a wheelchair user sitting up front in a Caddy or similar? You’d have to unpack your entire world onto the deck when boarding and disembarking just to get in and oot the wagon… no thanks!) and so I had to go it solo. That meant I took out a loan to buy a 12 year old vehicle, something I’d never have contemplated before but by all accounts if you start with a good un and your maintain it as ZeeGermans intended, it’ll go forever, and that’s what I fully plan on doing.
What’s more, unlike Motability where you put down a huge advanced payment, give them your mobility allowance every month for 5 years and then have to hand the vehicle back at the end with no chance even of “buying” it, this one is mine and always will be.

If you’ve stayed around this far then a gold star for your forehead. However, hopefully it’s been a useful 5 minute read for someone and I’m happy to chat anytime to anyone who’s interested in retrofitting a Caravelle for their use as a wheelchair user.
 
Obviously a determined, independent sole, I like your approach. When we bought our Caravelle Executive 4Motion Diff Lock The 199 bhp version, not quite sure what that means. I mean, where did the extra 5 bhp go. ours was a cancelled order and one of the last I was told you see it was bing replaced by the 6.1 It just had most of the specifications that we wanted particularly the 4Motion part but did not have Down Hill Assist. The sales man secured it for us and let me babble on about fitting the DHA until after we picked it up and the said you cannot do that, one it will invalidate the warranty and second the techs here said it can not be done. I was disappointed that the fancy electronic control multi way drivers seat was not replicated on the passenger side. I was told they don’t do em for the passenger but I had thought that drivers in the rest of the Wold can not all be using a lesser seat and some must have the equivalent in the EU. I presume that they have breakers in Germany. Unlike you I did not pursue that matter for very long as I am mainly in the RHS but I did think about it. I also waited for the warrenty issue to pass for the DHA but have yet to have it done though I have had a couple of quotes from 2 fitting service. So I will have to jolly well get on with it I guess. I found all the hanging around during the covid thing has slowed my imputous some what and any way there re other things that equally pul like supnesion lifts wether to by another Walis diesel cooker hob wether to buy some fancy lLazer intelegent Dip LED lights and, and.......Any way good on you. :)

By the way is yours 4Motion?
 
Obviously a determined, independent sole, I like your approach. When we bought our Caravelle Executive 4Motion Diff Lock The 199 bhp version, not quite sure what that means. I mean, where did the extra 5 bhp go. ours was a cancelled order and one of the last I was told you see it was bing replaced by the 6.1 It just had most of the specifications that we wanted particularly the 4Motion part but did not have Down Hill Assist. The sales man secured it for us and let me babble on about fitting the DHA until after we picked it up and the said you cannot do that, one it will invalidate the warranty and second the techs here said it can not be done. I was disappointed that the fancy electronic control multi way drivers seat was not replicated on the passenger side. I was told they don’t do em for the passenger but I had thought that drivers in the rest of the Wold can not all be using a lesser seat and some must have the equivalent in the EU. I presume that they have breakers in Germany. Unlike you I did not pursue that matter for very long as I am mainly in the RHS but I did think about it. I also waited for the warrenty issue to pass for the DHA but have yet to have it done though I have had a couple of quotes from 2 fitting service. So I will have to jolly well get on with it I guess. I found all the hanging around during the covid thing has slowed my imputous some what and any way there re other things that equally pul like supnesion lifts wether to by another Walis diesel cooker hob wether to buy some fancy lLazer intelegent Dip LED lights and, and.......Any way good on you. :)

By the way is yours 4Motion?
Definitely go for it: Google translate is your friend, have a look on German eBay. Get the part numbers you need and just research research research.

I found it easier to use the live translate feature of the Google app on my phone held over listings on my iPad, so that way it was translating things in real time as if I was in a shop. Rather than flicking back and forth between multiple tabs or copying and pasting everything to translate it.

I was exempted any customs charges as it was a piece of equipment solely for the use of a disabled person, so that’s your only potential issue I’d guess post Brexit, but still, it’s entirely worth looking into it.

Aww I wish mine was the 4Motion but I don’t think the side cassette lifts were ever fitted to 4M DSG vehicles. Maybe it’s something to do with the driveshaft vs lift vs undergubbins? Not sure but as it is All Season tyres and being sensible has got us through thus far, long may it continue.
 
Hi,

I am OK my wife is a fluent French speaker with Belgium pronunciation and although she will not admit fluency in German, I have heard here rabbit on with some German friends many years ago and it sounded fluent to me but then I only have English and some might say from the deep south that as a Northerner I do not speak even that Ha what cheek. I have used Google Translate but many years ago I used a couple of German Forum and they practically begged me not to use a translator because they need a rest from all the laughing they had to experience reading my posts and that they all spoke reasonable English so just speak English. I would say that the majority wrote excellent English probably better than I but I do suffer from that disLuxemburg thing and the auto correct does very much distort my words from time to time. It is only some time latter that I can spot some of my mistakes and I do not know if the guys on here are laughing with me or against because some of the autocorrect corruptions can be quite funny and not necessarily convey what I had intended. Ha Ha.

I probably will not do the seat thing as we have become used to what we have but the additional Off-Road things yes we will. All-ready the suspension is annoying me. Not brilliant from new and I did know that the damping would fade quite soon and off road too and from the property I noticed the tow hook had been dragging a little. I really need a lift I am very used to proper 4x4 vehicles LR 101FC Radio Body, LR S111 LWB, LR110 HiCap Pick Up, Mercedes UNIMOG U900 Crew Cab, Volvo TGB303 6x6 radio body. The last two vehicles UNIMOG and Volvo had portal axles and differential lock in all axles so 2 and 3 respectively. Really impressive bits of kit and were truly exceptional off road. If one lay down flat they could have passed over without the differential touching anything. I have owned Toyota Landcruier 4.2VX with front an rear diff-locks and it also had some sort of Limited Slip Center Diff that could also be locked a very good vehicle. Mercedes G wagon LWB with differential locks both axles, little Suzuki and other Toyota AWD things and a Skoda 170 Yeti Elegance, missed some out probably. Thing is, I want to do a little of what I used to do but with the Caravelle and not just up and down to the property which is like green laning every day. I do not expect it to go every where and even with a snorkel which was standard fitt on a UNIMOG I would need to drive carfuly, creatively and nowhere near as deep. I would just float away and drown.

The T6 is far more civilised and gas its own pleasures, is quite delightful pulls like a train but it could be better in other ways. I have just slowed down too much, need to get off here, its far too adictive, compulsary and basically, get of my arse as I used to do. :)

As your in the cold Far North have lived in Scotland for a little while a long way back. I mean cold as in temperature not cold of spirit by the way. A 4Motion may have possibly suited you better allowing you more freedom and some little insurance against getting stuck especially with suitable All Season tyres. A little more security, peice of mind. That sort of thing.
 
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