Is the 204 that essentially the same as the 199 engine?Apart from egr pipe I don't know of any issues with the 204 engine.
Is the 204 that essentially the same as the 199 engine?Apart from egr pipe I don't know of any issues with the 204 engine.
Revo know nothing about turbos, pull the other one.And Revo and Quantum know nothing about turbos
VW make significant changes to their hardware and engine setup within 20-30bhp tolerance alterations. Things like intercooler placement and size, turbos, etc... they're the manufacturer who sink the money into development.
All the same hardware ? NopeNot really, the Euro 5/6 engines all came in various different power stages, 84/102/140/150. They all have exactly the same hardware, the only difference is the software flashed at the factory so you could say that VW are mapping their own vans before leaving the factory.
All the same hardware ? Nope
Sorry I was being facetious and sarcastic; They both know shit loads about all aspects of our enginesRevo know nothing about turbos, pull the other one.
My point is.When I bought a brand new hybrid turbo for my T5/174 from Turbo Dynamics we discussed at great length the turbine remodeling and back blading the outer edge to control the exhaust gas temps; but the increased size of the compressor would not be an issue..... etc etc
It went like hell but was a bit laggy,
The biggest issue as I remember was not the bearing's mechanical capacity, but upgrading the oil seals was the biggest issue.
But let's not forget all the issues over the years with VW engines that had not been altered. I have my one story on that one.
The devil in me welcomes a dollop of sarcasm!Sorry I was being facetious and sarcastic; They both know shit loads about all aspects of our engines
I was trying to eat my tea; drink a glass of wine, and tell my Mrs it was the dest meal I've ever eaten and it all came out a bit wrong.The devil in me welcomes a dollop of sarcasm!
Are you 100% sure about that @Insert Coin?Not really, the Euro 5/6 engines all came in various different power stages, 84/102/140/150. They all have exactly the same hardware, the only difference is the software flashed at the factory so you could say that VW are mapping their own vans before leaving the factory.
Here are part groups for turbochargers - detailed part numbers e.g. here --> IFInterfaceAre the turbo, intercooler, pipework, lube system, induction system, fuel system and exhaust system 100% identical. It is possible but it would need someone with access to the VW EPC's to confirm.
Are you 100% sure about that @Insert Coin?
Are the turbo, intercooler, pipework, lube system, induction system, fuel system and exhaust system 100% identical. It is possible but it would need someone with access to the VW EPC's to confirm.
As an example, I know that in my industry a Volvo Penta D6-340 is essentially the same as a D6-440 but I absolutely know of some small differences which mean that it would make it dodgy to increase the output of a 340HP unit to 440HP without hardware changes. The engines are pretty much identical but upping the power is a no-no. I hear customers say "They're the same engine" all day long and that is only partially true as the OEM probably made sure that this wasn't the case!
Don't get me wrong. This is somewhat of a licence for the OEM to make more money as you could theoretically get 440 HP out of the 340HP model by remapping. The cost of the supply from the OEM's perspective for both engines will be really similar, if not the same for both outputs.
But business is business and to get the 440HP a change to a number of associated hardware items would needed to make them the same. These components have possibly been purposefully priced up by the OEM to ensure that the customer originally specs the 440HP model at the outset, but even then this doesn't account of the fact that the OEM would never permit the remap in the first place! (Incidentally in this example the hardware difference would be the turbocharger, air cleaner and other stuff that I've probably missed because we would never do it!)
There are some differences between engines... same head and same cubic capacity, but
Apart from the obvious ECU map and turbo....
Off the top of my head.
Single vs biturbo,
Block
Twin balance shaft,
Inlet manifold with runners,
Hpfp small and large.
Larger charge induction pipes
exhaust manifold.
i suppose the point is . . . its not just a ECU MAP that changes the BHP output across the 4 engines. There is a lot of hardware that changes too.
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have a look at these VW SSPs
SSP 564 - The T6 2.0L TDi
VW Self Study Programme, Document 564 - The 2.0 litre TDI Engine In The T6 The introduction of modern, particularly efficient Euro-6 engines represents a central feature of the new T6. All units are equipped with Blue Motion Technology as...www.t6forum.com
SSP 455 - 2.0 Litre TDI Engines in the Volkswagen T5 2010
SSP 455 - 2.0 Litre TDI Engines in the Volkswagen T5 2010www.t6forum.com
The T6 Vehicle SSP-561
VW Self Study Programme, Document 561 - The T6 2016 Benchmark in its class Pioneer in the segment for more than 60 years The totality of all the product characteristics ascribed to the Volkswagen Transporter has made it the epitome of its...www.t6forum.com
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Dellmassive’s "How I Done It" blogs.
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Here are part groups for turbochargers - detailed part numbers e.g. here --> IFInterface
Part numbers are different in each group so I'd say they are not identical.
EU5 engines
145-060 engines up to 103kW/140PS
145-062 132kW/180PS
EU6 engines
145-063 62kW/84PS and 75 kW/102PS
145-064 84kW/114PS and 110kW/150PS
145-067 150kW/204PS and 146kW/199PS
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