H & R lowering springs

[MrT6]

These little fellas being fitted today...

 

[MrT6]

40mm H&R springs fitted and a set of new shoes - 20" Supermetal Trident

 

[Montecha]

Can you measure the height from the wheel centre to the bottom of the wheel arches (front and rear) and post them up?

I'm trying to collect a list of what springs give what gap. Thanks!

 

[MrT6]

Can you measure the height from the wheel centre to the bottom of the wheel arches (front and rear) and post them up?

I'm trying to collect a list of what springs give what gap. Thanks!

Posted on the Ride Height Survey thread

 

[BennyBoy]

So 2 weeks on from lowering 50mm on H&R and 90% happy the two issues I have are the rear door now rattles over bumps. It did this when I first got the van but dealer did some magic and it stopped but now its back and when going over speed bumps the rear springs make a bang, I am thinking its because its an empty kombi T32 as it doesnt do it any other time. I have let the place I got the springs from know and still under discussion with them why but thought I would put it out on here for ideas

 

[Pag]

Hi just thought I would tell of my resent experience with my 2019 T28 camper conversion we picked it up in November I have run it around for a bit, so I looked on eBay got a good deal on a set of H&R spring and read good things about them.

So I lowered it in early March and them I started getting clanking noises it sounded like some thing was worn out, but when I took the front shocks off I inspected the top mount and they looked fine and the Van only has 19986 miles on it so put it back together the rear lower mounts I hold my hand up I should have changed them at the time as they were distorted but I wasn't having any noise from them with stock springs.

So having now lowered the van like the look of it and put new wheels on the clanking was not getting any better I read sound more about the different options of suspension I could put on and was very impressed with the koni actives and Steve from CRS was very helpful , I read more on the noise from the H&R springs and some one stated to chance the mounts when putting any springs on.

So I decided to change the top & bottom rear spring mounts which I got from Van style upgraded lower rubbers and VW genuine top mounts not expecting a great deal of success, but to my surprise the noise was gone from the rear. So I them started to look for the top mount's and got a set from good old eBay Meyle HD Kit again not convinced this was going to work and I could just be making more work for myself, but I did changed them took the van out and boom was fantastic no more noise like the shocks was going to fall out so now both me and the wife are super happy.

So if you are thinking of lowering your van have new mounts to hand will save you time in the end and money, as I didn't have any of these issues on the stock springs I can only put this down to the mounts not going back to the same spot that they was in and had settled in and because the mileage is low and these should do tens of thousands of miles before changing I thought they would be ok.

 

[Beazer]

I'm also thinking about installing H&R 40mm lowering springs. No need to go any lower and although B14's would be lovely they are outside the budget at the moment.

There appear to be 4 different H&R 40mm spring kits available with different load ratings: 29720-1, 29720-2, 29720-3, 29720-4

The 'correct' kit seems to be determined by the axle loading of each individual van i.e. T28, T30 and T32 etc. and the relevant axle load rating

I've emailed a number of reputable Transporter specialists and perhaps unsurprisingly received three different recommendations for the correct spec/kit for H&R lowering springs

I have a SWB T30 Kombi - it will be used as a family leisure vehicle transporting people, push-bikes, surfboards, personal kit etc. No plans at present to convert to a camper or any serious weight carrying.

My axle load ratings are 1-1610kg and 2-1600kg

So my question to the T5/T6 experts and gurus, is which H&R 40mm spring kit is to be recommended?

I have the same issue for my SWB T30 - also will be a light load. Based on those same axle weights I've just been recommended kit 4 which I think is for T32s.
I think you went for the -2s?
How are they?

 

[Laundrymike]

So...I've a T28 van, part converted - weighs 2150kg empty and running 18" Sportline alloys 235/50 tyres

I'd like to go a little lower but not much...measured from the hub centre to the top of the arch - 435mm front and 425mm rear

I've no great desire to fit coilovers, would rather fit a good quality spring and damper in the hope that the ride quality can be improved from the standard VW suspension fitted

I'm thinking H&R springs for now and save up/replace the shocks with Konis later on

They list Part Nr. 29270-1, -2, -3 and -4

I see they mention upto/over 1500kg axle weight front and upto/over 1560kg rear

Assume the heavier rated springs would suit me better?

But don't know the difference between 29270-2 and 29270-4 for example - are T28/30 springs different from T32 maybe?

Any help would be appreciated

Thanks!

 

[meza]

I have exactly the same dilemma. A T28, weighed at 2300kg converted, but unladen with people, fuel or luggage. Once it gets loaded up I think I’ll be at 2700-2800kg.

Should I be going for T30 rated H&R springs rather than maxing out T28 rated ones?

 

[meza]

 

[Bullie Boy]

Talk to Steve @ CRS

 

[mark hobson]

So...I've a T28 van, part converted - weighs 2150kg empty and running 18" Sportline alloys 235/50 tyres

I'd like to go a little lower but not much...measured from the hub centre to the top of the arch - 435mm front and 425mm rear

I've no great desire to fit coilovers, would rather fit a good quality spring and damper in the hope that the ride quality can be improved from the standard VW suspension fitted

I'm thinking H&R springs for now and save up/replace the shocks with Konis later on

They list Part Nr. 29270-1, -2, -3 and -4

I see they mention upto/over 1500kg axle weight front and upto/over 1560kg rear

Assume the heavier rated springs would suit me better?

But don't know the difference between 29270-2 and 29270-4 for example - are T28/30 springs different from T32 maybe?

Any help would be appreciated

Thanks!

I’ve got a set of h&r lowering springs I’m selling just not got round to advertising yet

 

[CRS Performance]

So...I've a T28 van, part converted - weighs 2150kg empty and running 18" Sportline alloys 235/50 tyres

I'd like to go a little lower but not much...measured from the hub centre to the top of the arch - 435mm front and 425mm rear

I've no great desire to fit coilovers, would rather fit a good quality spring and damper in the hope that the ride quality can be improved from the standard VW suspension fitted

I'm thinking H&R springs for now and save up/replace the shocks with Konis later on

They list Part Nr. 29270-1, -2, -3 and -4

I see they mention upto/over 1500kg axle weight front and upto/over 1560kg rear

Assume the heavier rated springs would suit me better?

But don't know the difference between 29270-2 and 29270-4 for example - are T28/30 springs different from T32 maybe?

Any help would be appreciated

Thanks!

Ok this has been done to death in the past i am, sure and this is quite a controversial topic because the H&R springs are all rated for TUV purposes and the weights of the van. I ll try to explain this better because we dont recognise TUV standards in UK ( I wish we did as it would stop a lot of crap being sold here )

the individual springs are numbered 29270-1 HA or VA or -2 HA or VA which is confusing of course as its similar to the kit part numbers ( HA Rear, VA front )


Kit 29270-1 is for light weight front light weight rear in the box is a -1 front -1 rear
kit 29270-2 Is for heavy front light rear -2 front -1 rear
kit 29270-3 Is for light weight front heavy rear -1 front -2 rear
Kit 29270-4 Heavy front and back . -2 front - 2 rear

The bomb shell news is that these springs are all the same rate , they aren't harder or softer at all The difference is the length .-1 short -2 longer ,

The biggest problem is that these 4 spring combinations dont suit all the vans that we have in UK specially the modified ones ( camper or day van etc )

We at CRS have ended up with 14 different combinations of spring to enable correct drops and carry weight at the correct height . so its way more complex than it first seems.

To give you an idea of how to spec the H&R springs

29270-1 small engine. nothing in the rear
29270-2 Big ( heavier ) engine nothing in the rear
29270-3 Small engine Camper rear
29270-4 Big engine ( heavier ) and camper rear .

This is complicated further by E C Parts commissioning H&R to make the same 4 spring range but in 50 mm drops , These dont use normal H&R part numbers because they arent H&R catalogue parts,

to hi light the issues with a small range of springs

29270-4 in a 180 hp Biturbo camper LWB Manual drop is 60 mm NOT 40 mm
fitting any of these kits to a 4 motion add at least 10 to 15 mm to the lowering range !!

What we do with Camper or heavy vans , because we cant be sure about the weight that has been added we supply a height adjustable rear spring with a stronger rate to get the exact lowering and weight carrying range we need . ( we all know how successful using coil over kits to adjust camper sag has been in the industry and the associated failures a plenty )

If you need more help feel free to call us ,

 

[Scottish Scrutineer]

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What we do with Camper or heavy vans , because we cant be sure about the weight that has been added we supply a height adjustable rear spring with a stronger rate to get the exact lowering and weight carrying range we need . ( we all know how successful using coil over kits to adjust camper sag has been in the industry and the associated failures a plenty )

If you need more help feel free to call us ,

@CRS, this should be a pinned post. Clearly explains the issue and shows why you guys have the reputation that you have. The height adjustable turrets are a straightforward solution to getting the rear ride height fixed and solve the handling and steering issues caused by the negative rake.

 

[CRS Performance]

@CRS, this should be a pinned post. Clearly explains the issue and shows why you guys have the reputation that you have. The height adjustable turrets are a straightforward solution to getting the rear ride height fixed and solve the handling and steering issues caused by the negative rake.

Spot on

 

[Laundrymike]

Ok this has been done to death in the past i am, sure and this is quite a controversial topic because the H&R springs are all rated for TUV purposes and the weights of the van. I ll try to explain this better because we dont recognise TUV standards in UK ( I wish we did as it would stop a lot of crap being sold here )

the individual springs are numbered 29270-1 HA or VA or -2 HA or VA which is confusing of course as its similar to the kit part numbers ( HA Rear, VA front )


Kit 29270-1 is for light weight front light weight rear in the box is a -1 front -1 rear
kit 29270-2 Is for heavy front light rear -2 front -1 rear
kit 29270-3 Is for light weight front heavy rear -1 front -2 rear
Kit 29270-4 Heavy front and back . -2 front - 2 rear

The bomb shell news is that these springs are all the same rate , they aren't harder or softer at all The difference is the length .-1 short -2 longer ,

The biggest problem is that these 4 spring combinations dont suit all the vans that we have in UK specially the modified ones ( camper or day van etc )

We at CRS have ended up with 14 different combinations of spring to enable correct drops and carry weight at the correct height . so its way more complex than it first seems.

To give you an idea of how to spec the H&R springs

29270-1 small engine. nothing in the rear
29270-2 Big ( heavier ) engine nothing in the rear
29270-3 Small engine Camper rear
29270-4 Big engine ( heavier ) and camper rear .

This is complicated further by E C Parts commissioning H&R to make the same 4 spring range but in 50 mm drops , These dont use normal H&R part numbers because they arent H&R catalogue parts,

to hi light the issues with a small range of springs

29270-4 in a 180 hp Biturbo camper LWB Manual drop is 60 mm NOT 40 mm
fitting any of these kits to a 4 motion add at least 10 to 15 mm to the lowering range !!

What we do with Camper or heavy vans , because we cant be sure about the weight that has been added we supply a height adjustable rear spring with a stronger rate to get the exact lowering and weight carrying range we need . ( we all know how successful using coil over kits to adjust camper sag has been in the industry and the associated failures a plenty )

If you need more help feel free to call us ,

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Great info - thankyou for that