not being rude, but did you read the pdf above? i dont really care on what watts were tested if the homologation certificate shows less than 2000 lumens that the data that i need..
OEM LED headlights question: wattage & lumens..
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I did not see the PDF, I did not presume that you were being rude just pointing out something out that I have missed.
It is not a problem. 
I assume that you will require washing equipment. I would guess that you also require levelling also? If that is the case and that may possibly put you off then what I have also heard is that Air suspension with levelling is acceptable. Such as VB Air full air. I do not know this as an absolute fact but I did see it some where.
Surely if the rules are the same for manufacturer factory fit and retrofit, and they’re offered as factory options, then you may be able to assume that they meet the requirements?
indeed @Pauly you're right..
this is the kind of stuff we have to go through here in Switzerland...i hope your french is up to speed (this guy is swiss german but his french isnt too bad):
"C'est bien que vous avez reçu le document. Ça vous pouvez montrer à l'expert de l'office de la circulation. Sous 9.2.3 c'est l'info qu'on cherchait :
è C'est moins que 2000 lumen et vous n'avez pas besoin d'installer d'une réglage automatique et l'installation de lavage des phares
(asa 2a, page 50)
Les 41 W pour low beam j'ai aussi immédiatement vu. En avoir toutes les infos je comprends comme suite: C'est un système adaptative pour s'adapter à différentes situations. Il existent plusieurs variantes de système adaptative, mais ici je crois fortement que le faisceaux du feu de croisement est fait par multiples segments led. Pour s'adapter à des courbes , des pentes raides etc, il y a encore plus de segment que nécéssaire (dépendant de la situation quelques 'uns enclenchent aditionellement pendant que des autres déclenchent au même temps. Les 41W peut être le total si toutes les segments seront enclenchés au même temps.
2000 lumen c'est le point à décider sur. Les Watt c'est seulement si on pas d'info des lumen et ça joue pour des systèmes non-adaptatives assez facile.
En cas de questions l'expert peut se rendre chez moi.
FYI:
- asa 2a, voir page 50 Directives no 2a
- ONU-CEE R123 online: https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/2015/R123r2f.pdf
Meilleurs salutations
Juerg Reber
Expert technique
Institut fédéral de métrologie METAS
Laboratoire optique"
i now need to go to another "expert" who will hopefully decide that all is ok for me to go ahead with the fitment..
i'm just not going to tell them that im doing it myself or he'd have a heart attack!
this is the kind of stuff we have to go through here in Switzerland...i hope your french is up to speed (this guy is swiss german but his french isnt too bad):
"C'est bien que vous avez reçu le document. Ça vous pouvez montrer à l'expert de l'office de la circulation. Sous 9.2.3 c'est l'info qu'on cherchait :
è C'est moins que 2000 lumen et vous n'avez pas besoin d'installer d'une réglage automatique et l'installation de lavage des phares
(asa 2a, page 50)
Les 41 W pour low beam j'ai aussi immédiatement vu. En avoir toutes les infos je comprends comme suite: C'est un système adaptative pour s'adapter à différentes situations. Il existent plusieurs variantes de système adaptative, mais ici je crois fortement que le faisceaux du feu de croisement est fait par multiples segments led. Pour s'adapter à des courbes , des pentes raides etc, il y a encore plus de segment que nécéssaire (dépendant de la situation quelques 'uns enclenchent aditionellement pendant que des autres déclenchent au même temps. Les 41W peut être le total si toutes les segments seront enclenchés au même temps.
2000 lumen c'est le point à décider sur. Les Watt c'est seulement si on pas d'info des lumen et ça joue pour des systèmes non-adaptatives assez facile.
En cas de questions l'expert peut se rendre chez moi.
FYI:
- asa 2a, voir page 50 Directives no 2a
- ONU-CEE R123 online: https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/2015/R123r2f.pdf
Meilleurs salutations
Juerg Reber
Expert technique
Institut fédéral de métrologie METAS
Laboratoire optique"
i now need to go to another "expert" who will hopefully decide that all is ok for me to go ahead with the fitment..
i'm just not going to tell them that im doing it myself or he'd have a heart attack!
In GB the magority of vehicles with OEM LED Head-Lights, have auto levelling of the head lamp. As far as I am aware that is the same for al EU countries and many others. Are you sure that you do not require auto levelling? perhaps it is already fitted to your vehicle?
Nope the legislation that we have here in switzerland is that if the lights produce less than or equal to 2000 lumens they dont technically require washers or levelling.
I am 100% sure that my van doesnt have this, but i am also 100% sure that i will be fitting the lights, levelling and range adjuster - just not the light washers.
Ah, I take it that you have established now, that your vehicle produce less than, or equal to 2000 lumens? I was not sure that you had. I must have missed something.
Well good luck. If you fit all the equipment then no need to have lights under 2000lumens then?Any way good luck with your venture.
this whole thread has been about the oem LED lights which i'm wanting to fit..! The document above shows that these produce less than 2000 so all is good for me..Ah, I take it that you have established now, that your vehicle produce less than, or equal to 2000 lumens? I was not sure that you had. I must have missed something.
Any way good luck with your venture.
I read the document but my language skills leave a lot to be desired. I shall need to ask the Good Wife who is fluent and multi lingual in a few languages. Great for you anyway.
I had genuine LED headlights and self levelling fitted recently.
Can anyone tell me is it a legal requirement in order to pass an MOT to have headlamp washers fitted With LED headlights.
The MOT guidelines seem a bit woolly and discuss checking them working but not if they have to be fitted.
I've used the search facility but can’t find a definitive answer.
Can anyone tell me is it a legal requirement in order to pass an MOT to have headlamp washers fitted With LED headlights.
The MOT guidelines seem a bit woolly and discuss checking them working but not if they have to be fitted.
I've used the search facility but can’t find a definitive answer.
Not required.
Only legal for Xenon headlights and hence most manufactures have removed them.
Only legal for Xenon headlights and hence most manufactures have removed them.
As others have said it’s not a legal requirement. Some early T6s don’t have washers from the factory and T7s also don’t have washers.
Above 2000 lumens output and they need washers and auto leveling.
Some manufactures have lower output lights to avoid the expense of the extra kit. My old Amarok had 25W xenons, rather than the normal 35W and didn't have washers or auto leveling. I guess we don't know what the output of the OEM LEDs is?
Some manufactures have lower output lights to avoid the expense of the extra kit. My old Amarok had 25W xenons, rather than the normal 35W and didn't have washers or auto leveling. I guess we don't know what the output of the OEM LEDs is?
if you have the wash system, then it needs to work. (as its part of the safety system for the lights)
if its not fitted then nothing to worry about.
if its not fitted then nothing to worry about.
I have a copy of the homologation certificate for the T6 led headlights - they are below 2000 lumens and its therefore ok for me to fit them here in switzerland without headlight washers.
i'll see if i can get the pdf on here.. i'll need to find it.
i'll see if i can get the pdf on here.. i'll need to find it.
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