T32 supplied with 102 tyres.. dealer says fine but VW HQ say otherwise..

[Bumblebee007]

Our new toy
2019 2.5k on the clock
Kombi 2.0tdi 150 t32 highline bmt swb,
all VW accessories, showroom model.

 

[huw169]

Kombi 2.0tdi 150 t32 highline bmt swb,
all VW accessories, showroom model.

Nice!
Couldn't help notice the tyre load rating. You will not pass a class 7 MOT test if it is indeed a T32.

 

[Bumblebee007]

Hmm interesting as the VW dealer fit the wheels and tires so I have no idea all I have is confirmation that all is VW accessories fitted by VW. I will definitely ask. Thanks for the info!

 

[Ads_Essex]

Nice!
Couldn't help notice the tyre load rating. You will not pass a class 7 MOT test if it is indeed a T32.

Hmm interesting as the VW dealer fit the wheels and tires so I have no idea all I have is confirmation that all is VW accessories fitted by VW. I will definitely ask. Thanks for the info!

They’ve done it before..

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[Bumblebee007]

I have called the VW dealer was told I don’t need class 7 MOT as the T32 gross weight is 2200kg so it’s class 4 MOT. Tomorrow I will pop to see my friend who is MOT technician and will confirm that with him.

 

[Ads_Essex]

I have called the VW dealer was told I don’t need class 7 MOT as the T32 gross weight is 2200kg so it’s class 4 MOT. Tomorrow I will pop to see my friend who is MOT technician and will confirm that with him.

Surely they mean 3200kg, hence the T32 title.
Your friend will likely confirm what we have said, which your weight rating plate will confirm:

The final important factor when dealing with wheels is the load rating. The load rating of a wheel expressed in kilograms (KGs) is the maximum weight the wheel is rated for. This figure will be given in documentation for the wheel and also stamped on the inside of the rim.
The minimum load rating of a wheel will be half the given axle weight for that particular wheel but be aware that axle weight is not half of the vehicle max weight
eg a T32 (3200KG) has an axle weight of 1710/1720 KG so the minimum load rating would be half of 1720
= 860KG which is denoted as 103 on the sidewall of the tyre.

 

[huw169]

This is a grey area and you will find lots of discussion on here about MOT Class 4 or 7, and even much confusion between different MOT stations. Have a search.
There is also the discussion around commercial vehicle speed limits that are kind of interesting. 60 on a dual carriage way, etc.

Kerb weight may be ~2.2t, but gross weight is definitely 3.2t if T32. The kerb weight is the key when discussing speed limits, but duel purpose is also a phrase that helps.

If Class 4 then tyres only need to be 'fit for purpose' to get an MOT as they don't check loading. However, people then get a bit funny about whether the insurance will pay out if there is an 'issue' while running under rated tyres.

I'm a T32 Shuttle, so definitely Class 4 passenger vehicle (8 seats total), but I went 103 tyres just to cover all bases.

Welcome to team Black by the way. That is a very nice van.

 

[Bumblebee007]

I will definitely investigate as I need to know. When I’m looking on V5 then Mass in service ( empty) is 2164kg. Revenue maximum weight is 3200kg. The tires are 102 rated so 850kg per wheel totals to 3400kg. So I’m little confused.

 

[huw169]

It's the axle weights that need supporting. You will find the fronts are 1710kg, and the rears 1720kg I believe. Look behind the air filter box in your engine bay.. therefore 2 x 850 doesn't support either at full load - just. Not that you're ever likely to go to full load, but the MOT chap will see it differently, if it does happen to need class 7.

N1, so definitely commercial.
Have a look for the Kombi Speed Limit thread, as that goes into great depth over the 'mass in service' and what that actually means.
6 seat too. I counted 5. Mine is wrong on this aspect too...

 

[Bumblebee007]

Yes 5 seater but V5 states 6 even more confusing now ))) I’m reading through the articles about the speed limit but I agree with 60mph as due to the mass in service is over 2040kg. The tires rating makes sense 103 now. Thanks

 

[Bumblebee007]

Update I have send email to my dealer he accepted my enquiry for tires rating now and waiting for technicians answer. In meantime I have found this table gov.co.hi website I can’t work it out

MOT inspection manual: cars and passenger vehicles - Appendix B: Tyre load index tables - Guidance - GOV.UK

Tyre load rating and exceptions, and tyre load index tables for single wheel and dual wheel configurations for car and passenger vehicle MOT tests.

www.gov.uk

Tyre load index table
The tyre load index table displayed below shows the load rating for both single wheel and dual wheel configurations, for example 121/120 = 2,900 single, 5,600 dual.
If a tyre has only one load index marked, then that index refers to use in single formation. Such tyres can be used in dual formation by applying the following formula:
Maximum load shown × 1.91 = dual formation maximum load

Load index table

	kg	kg		kg	kg		kg	kg
Load index	Single	Dual	Load index	Single	Dual	Load index	Single	Dual
70	670	1,340	110	2,120	4,240	150	6,700	13,400
71	690	1,380	111	2,180	4,360	151	6,900	13,800
72	710	1,420	112	2,240	4,480	152	7,100	14,200
73	730	1,460	113	2,300	4,600	153	7,300	14,600
74	750	1,500	114	2,360	4,720	154	7,500	15,000
75	774	1,548	115	2,430	4,860	155	7,750	15,500
76	800	1,600	116	2,500	5,000	156	8,000	16,000
77	824	1,648	117	2,570	5,140	157	8,250	16,500
78	850	1,700	118	2,640	5,280	158	8,500	17,000
79	874	1,748	119	2,720	5,440	159	8,750	17,500
80	900	1,800	120	2,800	5,600	160	9,000	18,000
81	924	1,848	121	2,900	5,800	161	9,250	18,500
82	950	1,900	122	3,000	6,000	162	9,500	19,000
83	974	1,948	123	3,100	6,200	163	9,750	19,500
84	1,000	2,000	124	3,200	6,400	164	10,000	20,000
85	1,030	2,060	125	3,300	6,600	165	10,300	20,600
86	1,060	2,120	126	3,400	6,800	166	10,600	21,200
87	1,090	2,180	127	3,500	7,000	167	10,900	21,800
88	1,120	2,240	128	3,600	7,200	168	11,200	22,400
89	1,160	2,320	129	3,700	7,400	169	11,600	23,200
90	1,200	2,400	130	3,800	7,600	170	12,000	24,000
91	1,230	2,460	131	3,900	7,800	171	12,300	24,600
92	1,260	2,520	132	4,000	8,000	172	12,600	25,200
93	1,300	2,600	133	4,120	8,240	173	13,000	26,000
94	1,340	2,680	134	4,240	8,480	174	13,400	26,800
95	1,380	2,760	135	4,360	8,720	175	13,800	27,600
96	1,420	2,840	136	4,480	8,960	176	14,200	28,400
97	1,460	2,920	137	4,600	9,200	177	14,600	29,200
98	1,500	3,000	138	4,720	9,440	178	15,000	30,000
99	1,550	3,100	139	4,860	9,720	179	15,500	31,000
100	1,600	3,200	140	5,000	10,000
101	1,650	3,300	141	5,150	10,300
102	1,700	3,400	142	5,300	10,600
103	1,750	3,500	143	5,450	10,900
104	1,800	3,600	144	5,600	11,200
105	1,850	3,700	145	5,800	11,600
106	1,900	3,800	146	6,000	12,000
107	1,950	3,900	147	6,150	12,300
108	2,000	4,000	148	6,300	12,600
109	2,060	4,120	149	6,500	13,000

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[Bumblebee007]

Just received reply from VW dealer. The tires are satisfactory, and confirmed so if anything goes wrong I have a proof from VW.

Good afternoon,



I can confirm the tyres are satisfactory for the weight and size of your vehicle.



The vehicle as standard came with 17” wheels, the wheels and tyres currently on your vehicle are upgraded to 20”



Tyres need to be the same spec across the same axle.

Kind regards

Wayne H.

Service Manager VW Commercial Vehicles and SEAT

 

[Ads_Essex]

Tomorrow I will pop to see my friend who is MOT technician and will confirm that with him.

The problem will be that the police will likely still report you, which means you taking a day off work to show the Magistrate that letter.
Take back an MOT failure ticket and see what Wayne has to say to that.

 

[Kingsimon2000]

Just received reply from VW dealer. The tires are satisfactory, and confirmed so if anything goes wrong I have a proof from VW.

Good afternoon,



I can confirm the tyres are satisfactory for the weight and size of your vehicle.



The vehicle as standard came with 17” wheels, the wheels and tyres currently on your vehicle are upgraded to 20”



Tyres need to be the same spec across the same axle.

Kind regards

Wayne H.

Service Manager VW Commercial Vehicles and SEAT

Well I think they are wrong.. I phoned up cordwallis when I was ordering my t32 and enquired about the supermetal trident that VW are supplying as an offical accesory and was told that they are not for a t32... only up to t30... yuo can find it in the new accessories brochure for the t6.1.. you'll need 265/40/20 ( or 265/45/20.. its on this forum )... get the garage to stick som eon for you free of charge.

 

[Bumblebee007]

If that happen I will have definitely nice payout from VW. I’m sure many solicitors will be interesting to take the case. For now I’m going to enjoy our new toy and not stress. Thanks

 

[Bumblebee007]

I have send another email to the VW head office so let’s see what they will say. I keep you updated.

 

[huw169]

Have you confirmed your axle load ratings are over 1700 kg each?
That letter from VW is laughable and just not correct. It’s a bit worrying really. Still, it’s not likely to cause you any issues, it’s just not correct to the regulations.
Get out and rag it, and you’ll have a new set fitted by mot time!

 

[Bumblebee007]

I will wait for the VW head office reply then I will act accordingly. Yes I have stated it’s on T32 with front axle 1710kg and rear axle 1720kg and specifications of the tires and the 20 inch wheels. Should receive reply in 48 hours.

 

[Bumblebee007]

Had reply from the VW head office that 102 it’s under rated for the T32 and dealer should fit new tires if not then I should contact the VW office. I have forwarded the email to my dealer requested new tires so let see.

 

[Bumblebee007]

So this is getting even more ridiculous I have went to see my friend MOT technician and x tyre fitter. I have been told that’s absolutely fine 275/35/r20 102y as there’s always 10% allowed for weight ratio to axle so 850kg per tire is fine and no problem what so ever for MOT!