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V5 Documentation - DVLA Rule Change for Motor Caravan Reregistration June 2019
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So I got an answer back from Autohaus see below.
I would suggest you need to speak to XXX.
The registration number you have sent would suggest your vehicle was converted on a nearly new vehicle purchased by MDG and therefore would have already been registered before it was converted.
If this is the case and the vehicle was already registered as a panel van under the current regulations set by DVLA they will not change the body type to motor caravan.
This is something we advise our own customers about when they supply nearly new or older campervans to us for conversion as there is not process which permits alteration of the body type.
We can register vehicles as motor caravans, if the vehicle is brand new, unregistered at the time of conversion. Then the vehicle on first registration is registered as a motor caravan.
Which leads me to the fact that all it will ever be is either panel van or Van with windows.
I would suggest you need to speak to XXX.
The registration number you have sent would suggest your vehicle was converted on a nearly new vehicle purchased by MDG and therefore would have already been registered before it was converted.
If this is the case and the vehicle was already registered as a panel van under the current regulations set by DVLA they will not change the body type to motor caravan.
This is something we advise our own customers about when they supply nearly new or older campervans to us for conversion as there is not process which permits alteration of the body type.
We can register vehicles as motor caravans, if the vehicle is brand new, unregistered at the time of conversion. Then the vehicle on first registration is registered as a motor caravan.
Which leads me to the fact that all it will ever be is either panel van or Van with windows.
Confirms my post.
It isn't however a change in rules, but a change in interpretation by DVLA. My 2017 was converted post regiatration and changed... DVLA just don;t want the work.
And the view that police officers cannot tell the difference is poor, these are highly trained inteligent vehicle specialists... experts in their field.
Latest model just released
Edit- sorry that cropped really badly. From DVLA
And the main reason I said that was a spurious reason, the type approved motor caravans going through as new now don’t have to comply with the previously quoted requirements, they can be poptop with no identifying graphics.
Well it’s £280 now. Enjoy your fiver!
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Ah!
My brother has converted a fiat panel van and after applying to dvla to change to motor home his application was rejected as it does look like a motor home. Not sure what they expect it to look like? Seems to be only official converters and getting the log book changed and diy/self build are being rejected.
I may add, there is a distinctive feature they look for: Motorhome style windows. Bonded windows do not count. All ppl I know that applied with bonded glass have ended up with van with side windows. It’s the plastic dometic and the like, that are considered Motorhome style windows
Never heard that about windows, and it certainly doesn’t appear on the DVLA checklist as a requirement to have MH style. Looking at what the van has, seems odd to me. Seems to have all the key features - 2 or more side windows, side door, fixed furniture, storage, bed, cooking etc, side decals and the high roof. An awning seems to be the only feature missing.
The high roof is usually a problem as they won’t accept a pop top, but that isn’t an issue with this one. DVLA just doing their own thing it seems.
I will be very surprised a van with bonded windows to get the body style appearance changed. Bonded windows are common on minibuses, and outside appearance counts on the change, despite all effort been done inside. All PVC converters have stuck to plastic motorhome style windows, two min on one side, without counting the front door. Also, you have to satisfy sufficient dayllight inside. Smoked windows don’t.
Going to try again shortly.Not sure why this thread has gone off the rails again, the answer was established a long way back. Basically, if you’re a type approved converter (effectively the de facto manufacturer), you can register the vehicle as a Motor Caravan as a first registration. If your van was first registered as a panel van, kombi, MPV, combine harvester or anything else, and you then convert it, whether by an established converter or you do it yourself, the current DVLA policy is not to allow you to change it to Motor Caravan. If it really bothers you, write to DVLA to complain if it makes you feel better, but you won’t get anywhere. There was even someone further back that implied they had influence at a high level, but nothing happened.
Insurers don’t care any more and if it’s the speed limit on dual carriageways that’s your issue, then see the other thread for the answer.
@Raul a/3 I don’t know who’s given you your information, but it’s wrong in every respect!
An increasing number of type approved Motorcaravan converters are using bonded windows, there is no law whatsoever that prevents them being used. Similarly, the vast majority of them use smoked (or even darker) windows in the back, again there is no law to prevent them. Finally, there is no requirement to have a minimum of 2 windows on the same side.
Here’s my Westfalia Ducato, registered as a Motor Caravan, with its dark tinted windows, along with my previous Motor Caravan registered Westfalia T6, with 1 dark tinted window per side.
Insurers don’t care any more and if it’s the speed limit on dual carriageways that’s your issue, then see the other thread for the answer.
@Raul a/3 I don’t know who’s given you your information, but it’s wrong in every respect!
An increasing number of type approved Motorcaravan converters are using bonded windows, there is no law whatsoever that prevents them being used. Similarly, the vast majority of them use smoked (or even darker) windows in the back, again there is no law to prevent them. Finally, there is no requirement to have a minimum of 2 windows on the same side.
Here’s my Westfalia Ducato, registered as a Motor Caravan, with its dark tinted windows, along with my previous Motor Caravan registered Westfalia T6, with 1 dark tinted window per side.
Interesting numbers.
Looks like someone needs to start a legal challenge against DVLA... Legistlation didn't change, just DVLA decisions.
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