NathFlav
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Ahh right okay no problem pal
Who is happy or unhappy with the standard H4 headlights?
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Well have now driven in the dark and find mine acceptable but then mine are H7's as I have the twin Halogen headlights on the exterior pack. Yes they could be brighter but will do for now.
just ordered these after consulting the company who assured me that they should work fine with the VW and not interfere with the radio a bit expencive but 20% off at the moment
H4 Hi/Lo Philips LUXEON ZES Headlight Kit - 4000 Lumens
@paulmorley, good link, but not sure they are legal, as nowhere does it mention that they are CE approved. This is probably due to the fact that they can't be, as LED bulbs must have a different base so that they can only be used with led reflectors to avoid blinding some poor sod coming the other way. And whilst I agree with the led foglight upgrade, this is due to the fact that you can turn the off and still drive at night, a difficult thing to do when you have LED bulbs in your headlights and the nice policeman is having a go due to being dazzled.
I Know what you are saying and this is my concern as well But i am not irresponsible enough to use them if i think that they will dazzle oncoming traffic I am not ready to depart yet due to another driver hitting me head on cos he was blinded
All i can do is try them at night on an unlit road if i think this is the case then i simply wont use them They have a fully adjustable beam pattern come with a money back guarantee and i will also take to a friend who has a mot station to get the beam pattern checked As i do a massive amount of driving at night and i am in need of some decent lights and getting more frustrated with the light issue with vw probably going to go on for a long time before its ever resolved witch i doubt The other option is convert to H7 Headlights or a stainless a bar with a pair of H4 super Oscars
All i can do is try them at night on an unlit road if i think this is the case then i simply wont use them They have a fully adjustable beam pattern come with a money back guarantee and i will also take to a friend who has a mot station to get the beam pattern checked As i do a massive amount of driving at night and i am in need of some decent lights and getting more frustrated with the light issue with vw probably going to go on for a long time before its ever resolved witch i doubt The other option is convert to H7 Headlights or a stainless a bar with a pair of H4 super Oscars
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Be interesting to see what the fitment it like with the minimal space. Can you take some pictures of them fitted please mate ? I'm sure there's a lot of people on here waiting for someone to give good feedback and pictures of fitting and the beam pattern! I would certainly purchase if all is well
This was my intention i will get photos and upload asap It will be about a week i suppose Another member ( not sure who) purchased some similar items on eBay although they fitted as they were the same size as these caused an error light on the dash and interfered with the radio The company that is selling these assured me this would not happen as most not all of the lights that sell on eBay are cheap Chinese imitations. We will see. But anyway i will keep you updated
That was me
. In terms of fitting all I did was brought the cables out near the top of the cover, the catch will then just about catch on the cover thus not needing to cut anything.
If at all possible a before and after picture from the same spot would be great to get a direct comparison.
I fitted a HID kit to my ford and they worked great apart from the errors on the dash . Because you are fitting them to you standard units you can adjust the hight yourself from in the van so just drop them as low as you can when you are driving with street lights and don't need them . The biggest problem is in the rain and the water on the light . When I fitted mine I parked the van in the road and drove my car towards it . If they look the same as any other led or hid car I would carry on and keep using them. I hope they work as it would be a good upgrade even at that price.
New h7 lights are under £200 each from VW incl VAT, so that makes around the £400 mark to do it using OEM kit, and people spend more than that doing their wheels. Whilst I like the LED lights, I personally wish to retain OEM for most of my lights, but again, it is a personal thing, but think that the h7 route will be mine, hopefully funded by VW, but still awaiting getting mine from the converters to see what the h4 is like for me.
Are you fitting them yourself or gonna get the dealer to fit if you go for the h7s did you also get a price for fitting at the dealer would be interested in knowing what time they quoted to change and pounds per hour
I want VW uk to fit them, or they supply and I pay the warranty labour bill, and not the retail bill. but the whole job self funded should be less than a set of alloys. I was in the parts dept after some other goodies, and enquired as to the H7 cost out of interest and to arm myself for VW uk.
Interesting conversation with VW Van Customer Care today.
I opened a case yesterday about the continued absense of the 2nd Hand Kombi that I paid a deposit on in December, and the absolute shambles of a dealership that give me a run around on a daily basis....but that is another long story.
Anyway... I asked the Case Manager if they'd had many complaints about the H4 lights? He said that he scanned the Knowledge Base and wasn't aware of any???
As I find that very difficult to believe, so I asked him if anyone in VW Cust Care had actually driven a T6 with H4s at night? He didn't know.
Anyway I added the Sh1te lights issue to my ever growing list....so lets see what happens.... but on current form I'm not expecting much.
P.S. Keep an eye on developments at EM Tuning
I opened a case yesterday about the continued absense of the 2nd Hand Kombi that I paid a deposit on in December, and the absolute shambles of a dealership that give me a run around on a daily basis....but that is another long story.
Anyway... I asked the Case Manager if they'd had many complaints about the H4 lights? He said that he scanned the Knowledge Base and wasn't aware of any???
As I find that very difficult to believe, so I asked him if anyone in VW Cust Care had actually driven a T6 with H4s at night? He didn't know.
Anyway I added the Sh1te lights issue to my ever growing list....so lets see what happens.... but on current form I'm not expecting much.
P.S. Keep an eye on developments at EM Tuning
@Paul Morley , found this that you might be interested in ref the led h4, it appears the fan ones do a better job?
Hi T6 Dave Thanks for the video but i have watched it when doing my hours of research its something that i have considered but in the end i based my decision not completely but partly you understand on the link below Its quite a long video and is full of information regarding Led headlight bulbs watch from about 25 minuets on this is regarding the Phillips zes chips see if you agree with me Plus look at the box behind the fan bulb i am guessing its a chinese copy
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sonh4lHu4XE
A couple of comments. Please don't shoot the messenger - I'm just putting these out there
From the quick bit of research I did at an earlier stage in this thread, fitting aftermarket HID bulbs to non HID equipped vehicles is illegal so you may have insurance issues in case of an accident, or may fail an MoT in future. According to the DfT Information Sheet on Aftermarket HID Headlamps dated May 2010:
In the Department for Transport's (DfT) view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.
And a bit further on:
Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the aftermarket should:
1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component;
2.when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place); and
3. comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:
1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. - who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.
2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.
3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly in the same way as any other headlamp
Good luck pursuing VW for free replacement, and hope it works. The challenge will be that, unless there is an actual fault in a specific headlamp unit, replacing the lights on any one vehicle is admitting that the H4 lights are not good enough. This will instantly spread through the media and they would potentially become liable to replace the lights on all T6's with H4's. VW sell about 200,ooo T6's per annum, so that means there are about 300,000 sold since launch. If 75% have H4's, that is 225,000 vans. If VW's replacement component cost is say EUR100 per van that would mean a liability of EUR 22.5m, plus fitting cost plus reputational damage.
From the quick bit of research I did at an earlier stage in this thread, fitting aftermarket HID bulbs to non HID equipped vehicles is illegal so you may have insurance issues in case of an accident, or may fail an MoT in future. According to the DfT Information Sheet on Aftermarket HID Headlamps dated May 2010:
In the Department for Transport's (DfT) view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.
And a bit further on:
Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the aftermarket should:
1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component;
2.when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place); and
3. comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:
1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. - who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.
2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.
3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly in the same way as any other headlamp
Good luck pursuing VW for free replacement, and hope it works. The challenge will be that, unless there is an actual fault in a specific headlamp unit, replacing the lights on any one vehicle is admitting that the H4 lights are not good enough. This will instantly spread through the media and they would potentially become liable to replace the lights on all T6's with H4's. VW sell about 200,ooo T6's per annum, so that means there are about 300,000 sold since launch. If 75% have H4's, that is 225,000 vans. If VW's replacement component cost is say EUR100 per van that would mean a liability of EUR 22.5m, plus fitting cost plus reputational damage.
I see a lot of these LEDs calling themselves Philips trying to win off the brand just because they have a Philips part in their construction.
As others have said, not 'E' marked so strictly not approved but things do progress and I am sure Philips will probably be working towards an approved lamp in the future.
Has anyone contacted or researched with Philips directly, because if they do, that will be great news for those with H4s (Mrs Loz included).
As others have said, not 'E' marked so strictly not approved but things do progress and I am sure Philips will probably be working towards an approved lamp in the future.
Has anyone contacted or researched with Philips directly, because if they do, that will be great news for those with H4s (Mrs Loz included).
Hi Loz thats my decision in buying from a company in the UK who state that these are genuine Phillips chips made in Europe i know i am still at risk of being ripped of but i would rather take the chance with these than the eBay ones that are considerably cheaper ( you get what you pay for i hope ) have a look at the link i previously posted regarding led bulbs its an american but very informative We will see anyway i will post results and pictures when fitted
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