2018 204tdi Needs a new engine?

[driftingaway]

I’m having the same issue with mine although I only bought from VW less than 6 months ago, mines booked in but I can’t get seen to for 4 weeks. I have an awful feeling they’re going to try wiggle out of the used warranty that I got when I bought the van.

If it's still within 6 months the dealer must fix it at their cost, even if no warranty was given. Otherwise you're due a refund (less a reasonable amount for mileage accrued).

My 2016 T6 is using 1 litre every 6-700 miles, oil consumption test completed and VW confirmed a new engine needed. Because I bought it 5 months ago, the dealer (VW main dealer) is doing the swap for free.

 

[DXX]

If it's still within 6 months the dealer must fix it at their cost, even if no warranty was given. Otherwise you're due a refund (less a reasonable amount for mileage accrued).

My 2016 T6 is using 1 litre every 6-700 miles, oil consumption test completed and VW confirmed a new engine needed. Because I bought it 5 months ago, the dealer (VW main dealer) is doing the swap for free.

I hope you‘re getting a new DPF in the deal, the excessive oil consumption would have loaded up the DPF at best with ash.

 

[driftingaway]

I hope you‘re getting a new DPF in the deal, the excessive oil consumption would have loaded up the DPF at best with ash.

They've said they will expect everything and replace it if necessary. I'd like to think a main dealer wouldn't be stupid enough to bolt on the old EGR/DPF if both had issues. The engine management light came on just before I took it down and the EGR was struggling - they cleaned it. The DPF light has only come on once though and a half-hour motorway run at around 2500rpm cleared it up.

 

[RunDSG]

They've said they will expect everything and replace it if necessary. I'd like to think a main dealer wouldn't be stupid enough to bolt on the old EGR/DPF if both had issues. The engine management light came on just before I took it down and the EGR was struggling - they cleaned it. The DPF light has only come on once though and a half-hour motorway run at around 2500rpm cleared it up.

Interesting. Did you do a VCDS or Carista scan by chance? I wonder what error codes would be showing.

 

[driftingaway]

Interesting. Did you do a VCDS or Carista scan by chance? I wonder what error codes would be showing.

Yep. This is what I got from OBDEleven when the EML lit up. They've since cleaned it and the light stayed off for the duration of the 1000km oil consumption test, but I'd prefer to have a new one of course.

 

[Nick_Berlin]

Hi all,
Just bumping this old thread to ask for some advice.
Background - 2016 T6 204PS, 137k kms, CXEB engine with high oil use (1.3 L per 1000 kms.. so extremely high). I'm from the UK but living in Berlin & having to handle this with VW etc in German which is a challenge in itself. The big benefit of Germany though - LAWYERS !!

VW say replacement engine needed & have offered approx. 30 percent on parts and labour for engine, cat, dpf and lamba probe, which still leaves us facing significant costs.

We have a lawyer and are suing VW. This is turning into a big thing in Germany where our lawyer says he is receiving around 100 cases per quarter. He expects that we can recover more like 60-70 percent on everything from VW thru the courts.

We won't let VW do the work anyway & have spoken to one independent engine/gearbox replacement specialist who seems to be well known for working on the T6 204 problem & surprisingly they recommended to go down the engine overhaul route. I'm happy if they can really check everything, but.. what are views / experiences about engine overhaul vs replacement? I was thinking - if I only have to pay 30 percent.. why not go the full monty..? Thoughts appreciated.

 

[dazzler1973]

HI Nick

I'm sure other will say to go down the route of engine overhaul but when mine went I decided to get the new engine. I planned to keep hold of my van and wanted to be worry free ( as much as possible) for as long as possible. If it were me and I was only paying 30% I'd go new engine but you could probably get it done cheaper if you go down the overhaul route.

 

[RobertO2023]

It’s about time VW came clean on this issue. It’s a complete disgrace and unacceptable that they are fully aware of the problems but offer very little to help out. My old 180 bi-turbo started failing at roughly 50k - just out of warranty! . It was drinking oil 1.5l/ 1000miles. A compression test showed 2 cylinders way down around 9.5 bar . Oil was analysed and showed non ferrous metal contamination. The EGR cooler was removed and found to be badly corroded. I was surprised that it hadn’t failed completely allowing water into the oil. The only sensible option was a new engine which at the time cost me around £5500 fitted . The new engine came complete with new - revised EGR . It performed well until I sold the van - using very little oil.

 

[Nick_Berlin]

Hi all,
Many thanks for your replies.
A short update on our situation, particularly for anyone in Germany facing the same issue.

- after raising the topic of legal action/court case etc, VW have raised their offer to 60 percent contribution (parts and labour) from their side.
- we've another quotation for engine replacement from an independent garage which is approx 2/3rds of the VW price, new engine but recon the cat, DPF etc and new cam belt and water pump
- we are minded to go with the independent garage, since we believe we will recover 60 percent of those costs in court.. overall still expensive but a decent solution for a completely new set up, worry free as you say @dazzler1973, for a van which we want to hold onto for a few years. it was anyway about the right time to make a split with the main dealer for all servicing etc. final decisions in the next days.

if anyone in germany wants contact details for the lawyer, workshops etc then message me

 

[Linoleum Bonypart]

Yes it’s maybe time uk biturbo owners got together and sorted a class action

 

[Nick_Berlin]

I really wonder why that isn't already the case. In Germany, I guess hardly anyone settles for the 30 percent from VW which seems to be the standard offer for the T6 204PS. A simple google gets you to articles in the press and the relevant lawyers. Perhaps some people don't have legal costs insurance and so aren't able / would be worried about putting their own money down to start proceedings. If lawyers in the UK would consult with their German counterparts (they all speak English), then surely the base case against VW remains the same. The only thing which could differ is UK case law concerning the time elapsed / mileage after which the manufacturer can legally be held responsible for the engine.

 

[RobertO2023]

In my experience if VW offer a contribution to anything they require the work to done by franchised dealer and first will verify that the service history is in order.
Going down the route to recover costs incurred for work done by an independent is not going to be easy.
If you were to go the independent route you would better having agreed the costs with VW beforehand.
A 60% offer from VW seems fair when the age and usage of vehicle is taken into account.
The offer confirms acceptance of liability so you may push for a better offer.
The other consideration is by using VW is that you will get a parts and labour warranty on everything they have replaced.
What all manufacturers are trying to avoid is a recall - but remember they got caught with the emissions scandal - so why not come clean with this crappy engine and DMF failures

 

[dazzler1973]

I got my new engine from VW with all warranty for two years on all parts they supplied. The engine cost me £3500 which considering I thought wasn't too bad.

 

[Nick_Berlin]

that's very good. at VW we would have been looking at paying 19,000 euros inc cat, dpf and lamba

 

[Nick_Berlin]

In my experience if VW offer a contribution to anything they require the work to done by franchised dealer and first will verify that the service history is in order.
Going down the route to recover costs incurred for work done by an independent is not going to be easy.
If you were to go the independent route you would better having agreed the costs with VW beforehand.

i find it strange too but independent route & suing afterwards seems to be standard practice in Germany.

 

[RobertO2023]

Well if that’s the German way that’s the way. It would not be for me as I want full VW support afterwards which you may not get that if they have not done the work. What I always do is take extended warranty whilst I own the vehicle

 

[DonnyGee]

if the engine is not Smokey,

and its running right. . . . what's the issue?

i have a 2018 CXEB with 65k on the clock,

i have no idea what my oil consumption is apart from it needs an oil top-up halfway through service intervals.

so what's the issue, that vw say you need a new engine? - is all this just based on oil consumption figures?

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as for the warranty and good will,

we all know VW will reject any claim if the guidelines are not followed,

they state you can use a VAT reg`d indy, but the parts must be OEM spec and the service guidance followed to the letter.

you would need all the paperwork to backup any claim.

if your indy garage hasnt provided you with invoices with the correct oil/parts or correct interval millage or time,

you know VW will refuse any warranty work as its small print is extensive . . . . . .

but there is maybe a way forward?

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have you looked at the ALL-IN warrenty VW offer? - you can buy online, then wait 30days, then book it into another VW garage for a check over?


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Thats interesting. How much would VW want for an all-in warrenty? I have just bought a 2019 Sportline 204 and its already giving me problems. I had a Service warrenty with it that runs our in august 2028. I have a roadside assistance warrenty that runs out August this year. Also an approved used warrenty with all componants coveruntil august and an MOT cover VWCV til august too, but it's the first time I've heard of an All-In warrenty can I ask?

 

[Dellmassive]

Thats interesting. How much would VW want for an all-in warrenty? I have just bought a 2019 Sportline 204 and its already giving me problems. I had a Service warrenty with it that runs our in august 2028. I have a roadside assistance warrenty that runs out August this year. Also an approved used warrenty with all componants coveruntil august and an MOT cover VWCV til august too, but it's the first time I've heard of an All-In warrenty can I ask?

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[Rv.]

Hi all, I’m new here and not too technical I’m afraid. We have a 2015 Caravelle 180ps bi-tdi -(70k miles), that has been swallowing a lot of oil
for about a year.
Last week it completely lost power and we were recovered to a garage who thought there was a fuel pipe problem and replaced it. We were on the road agin for a couple of days and then same issue but all lights on dashboard lit up. Recovered again and now garage say turbo has blown and both need to be replaced - £3500 projected cost, potentially more if the find other problems. Just wanted some advice if this sounds fair / normal? Can’t drive it to another garage for a second opinion so just looking for guidance really. Thanks in advance, Richard.