Are EVs the way forward?

Well it is if you think about it...
The cobalt is used until it disappears, this will be over many thousands of litres of fuel produced but it will have been used up just as those many litres of fuel will have been used up by vehicles and turned into a toxic waste gas and soot.
The EV battery cobalt is still there in the anode material of a deteriorated battery pack and can be recovered just like any other metal that has a value above the cost of recovery.

 
Are you thick, I'm saying that the cobalt is used up as in depleted, you appear to be saying that cobalt doesn't get used up?
If it didn't get used up in the desulphuring process the refineries would use the same cobalt indefinitely and not need additional cobalt even if they ramped up fuel production.
Actually it must be you that is the thick village idiot, as you dont have any understanding what a catalyst is. Even though I have given you the definition above, just for further clarification to get into your skull "a catalyst takes not part in a chemical reaction, it is purely a substrate that enables the reaction to proceed faster, and remains UNCHANGED in the reaction. It does not get quote "transformed" or "turned" into anything.
 
Thought u said I buried my head in the sand and blamed volcanoes for “climate change” ?
Bavs reply included a specific section one of my posts, so I assumed he was referring to that. If you read that there is no mention of climate denial in it. But then there is the admittance of goading, so who knows

The bit where I think you’re burying your head is the lack of ambition around change, I said…

“Lastly, having a ‘let’s do nothing and bury our heads in the sand’ approach because some others aren’t trying their best isn’t something I can get behind. If we all thought like that we’d still be living in caves and thinking reaching 30 years old wasn’t to be sniffed at.”

It’s when you were flip flopping about focusing on the UK, volcanoes and China, then nobody could look at the US, then ignoring local air pollution vs greenhouse gasses… either way, sugggesting nobody should bother because others might not demonstrates burying your head in my view.
 
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Does the cobalt get used up in the process of manufacturing fuel from oil?
My thinking is that the oil refineries use up a steady supply of freshly mined cobalt but obviously in a completely different way to the way EV battery manufacturers will use the cobalt as part of the material that forms the battery cathode.
It's not so much understanding how the cobalt works as a catalyst in the fuel refining process, which I'm clueless about, as acknowledging the fact that it is used up in this process and as such has to be replaced on a regular basis related directly to the amount of fuel produced.
It will be interesting to see if cobalt will be recovered from Grangemouth refinery when that ceases refining but getting bogged down in why the cobalt is used when it's part of a process that is known to be harming life is absurd.
 
Get a Pro S with the 77kw battery and heat pump for the cabin heater, likely 300 mile range but around £20k used compared to the £12k upwards of the smaller batteried cars, yep, I want one. :geek:
Will have a look at that model, thank you.
 
I believe it’s also a generational thing. My folks in their late eighties have resisted non-ICE cars when they never drive more than a few miles.

I guarantee you when I get one and subsequently don’t die in a ditch or get stranded or crap out in the fast lane, it will be their next purchase. Same with a computer and mobile phone in the 90s, same with smartphones in the naughties, broadband, smarthome stuff… etc… the list goes on.
 
I believe it’s also a generational thing. My folks in their late eighties have resisted non-ICE cars when they never drive more than a few miles.

I guarantee you when I get one and subsequently don’t die in a ditch or get stranded or crap out in the fast lane, it will be their next purchase. Same with a computer and mobile phone in the 90s, same with smartphones in the naughties, broadband, smarthome stuff… etc… the list goes on.

My folks are late seventies and keep talking about trading in their petrol powered car for an ICE powered one.

The neighbours parents, in their early eighties, bought one of those EV Nissan vans and kitted it out as a camper (just like Chris Peckham). Their car is an EV Smart… and mostly they cycle everywhere! Hope I can still do that when I get to their age.
 
My folks are late seventies and keep talking about trading in their petrol powered car for an ICE powered one.

The neighbours parents, in their early eighties, bought one of those EV Nissan vans and kitted it out as a camper (just like Chris Peckham). Their car is an EV Smart… and mostly they cycle everywhere! Hope I can still do that when I get to their age.
I sincerely hope so too.
 
The neighbours parents, in their early eighties, bought one of those EV Nissan vans and kitted it out as a camper (just like Chris Peckham). Their car is an EV Smart… and mostly they cycle everywhere! Hope I can still do that when I get to their age.
The same Chris Packham that drives a 3 litre diesel Land Rover?

I cycle where possible. Apart from enjoying it and it keeping me young and fit (cough) there's little difference in it time wise in trips about town, no parking problems or cost. I chuck the folder in an IKEA bag and it comes in the shops with me. The huge sum saved is a bonus and im sure mother nature approves, but I fundamentally do it because it's just so handy and just good fun.

I had to go into town Tuesday night for a physio appointment. There had been a smack on the A45 so the Five-0 had closed it and the town was gridlocked. I sailed past them all laughing like a maniac as I trundled by, then avoided the criminal cost of car parking by folding the bike and taking it in with me.
 
Apart from enjoying it and it keeping me young and fit (cough) there's little difference in it time wise in trips about town, no parking problems or cost.
Yeah, when I last took the van to the garage I stuck the bike in the back and cycled home - I was ritually alongside the same car for the entire seven miles. They’d dash off at the lights to the next queue, I’d pass them and it was like this the entire journey (well, we parted ways at six miles but it surprised me that even my leisurely pace was a quick as a car trying their best to drive fast).
 
Yeah, when I last took the van to the garage I stuck the bike in the back and cycled home
Ah, glad I'm not the only one to do that!

The missus thinks I'm mad, but I really do enjoy it and the exercise is worthwhile. Keeps me buff for an old git! :laugh:

The average speed of a bicycle in inner London is higher than the average car speed so if I'm going that way I use the train and take the folder. Why anyone (other than the disabled or very elderly, of course) would want to drive a car for short urban journeys is beyond me - driving in town is less fun than watching Terry and June.
 
Ah, glad I'm not the only one to do that!

The missus thinks I'm mad, but I really do enjoy it and the exercise is worthwhile. Keeps me buff for an old git! :laugh:

The average speed of a bicycle in inner London is higher than the average car speed so if I'm going that way I use the train and take the folder. Why anyone (other than the disabled or very elderly, of course) would want to drive a car for short urban journeys is beyond me - driving in town is less fun than watching Terry and June.
So they say, apparently, some people drive to get to a job and they need to carry tools and materials, so I heard. I believe it can be done by pedal cycle but some don't like to, especially on the way home from a hard day at work. My Mother, who still works in her 70's says that she no longer enjoys cycling on the M25. I'm glad about that.
But if it suits you it should suit them!
 
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