Awesome 3-in-1 Battery Bank - How I done It -

Hi
Just seen all the product details at the bottom of the advert
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Just ordered. Dellmassive I'll have to stop reading your posts first the Noco GB70 now this
LOL, welcome to the club =]

more info here on the other site:




and here for the original site:


 
More details from ALLPOPWERS on a direct email :


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Dear friend,


For your concerns:

1.can you charge via the cigarette socket to charge the unit?

You can charge it from the cigartte socket when your car is driving. Make sure it is a 12V car socket, not 24V.

2.What cable is best for charging from a solar panel?

Cable with anderson connectors should be fine.

3.Is the DC Input DC5521 connector connected to the internal MPPT ? because you show a MC4-DC5521 charge cable, is this advised? – to connect a solar panel?

No, only the anderson port is equipped with MPPT, we do suggest to charge it from the anderson port only.

4.What is MAX “input” specs for DC5521 port? – out modern van with EU6 & stop/start has a smart alternator that can produce upto 15vdc and max Amps?

It is 20V3A, 60W max also.

5.What is the MAX spec for the “output” DC5525 ports? V and A??

There are 2x DC output ports, 12V 5A.


发送日期:2020-04-29 16:27:06
收件人:"客服部" <support@allpowers.net>
主题:RE: Re:AllPowers 372wh. (AP-SS-005) + solar charging.

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and when asked about the second PD charger

Hello ALLPOWERS
2nd email.
iv have purchased a second unit because I like so much . . . it has just arrived today (thankyou)
this one come with an additional 65w USB-C charger?
is it free gift for me? Or is original PSU not good enough?

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Dear friend
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Yes, it will come with a PD charger which is desinged to recharged this unit from the USB-C port. (2-Way PD 60W)

发送日期:2020-04-29 19:14:12
收件人:"客服部" <support@allpowers.net>
主题:RE: Re:AllPowers 372wh. (AP-SS-005) + solar charging.

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New test today...
ALLpowers charging a JBL battery speaker. (thats currently flat)
The speaker is intern charging a USB DAB Radio, (drawing 500mA)
which is now playing music.
so the load on the ALLPOWERS is currently 35W with an estimated run time of 11hrs 20mins
lets see if this will run all day.
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Update - 3hrs later.
The USB Radio is 100% charged,
The JBL is 60% charged.
The Load has dropeed to 23W with an estimated run time of 13hrs 13min.

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edit. 5hrs later . . . . .
The USB Radio is 100% charged,
The JBL is 100% charged.
The Load has dropeed to 11W with an estimated run time of 22hrs 12min.
its worth noting that the AC inverter shows a 7W load when running with nothing plugged in. so effectivly now everything is charged we are only pulling 4W.
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So i guess that answers that then....
yes it will run this all day, maybe 2 or 3 days.
oh also the % has dropped from 100% at 730am this morning to 76% at 12pm.
which is a 25% drop. =]
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a bit more info . . .
 
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Next Test coming up.
"only the anderson port is equipped with MPPT "
so lets try connecting a Panel.
The Spec says 50W-100W
and PV MAX of 16-22V @ 3.2A
So the important thing here is the VOC MAX of 22V . . . . so any panel array, but keeping below the 22V. Via the Anderson Powerpole connector.
pics and test coming up.

1st test.
Lensun 110W panel VOC @ 21.24V
not ideal sun but its taking it in. (upto 60W max i think)
tested VOC with a Multimeter and had 21.9v in full sun.
just saw 52W in . . .


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Alright, here’s my rock n’ roll Friday night update...

(Charging an iPhone 11 Pro Max via USB-C to lightning cable)

Started charging the phone at 19:31 and it had 5% charge... The Allpowers was at 93%.
By 20:02 the phone was at 60%
100% charged by 21:15 and the Allpowers had dropped by 6%.

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Solar test #2

Renogy Foldable 100W (just the bair panel direct to ALLPOWERS - not using panels own controller)
VOC@23.6V
ISC@3.13A

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heres the panel.

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and the specs



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size comparison to the Lensun 110W flexable.

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Folded out and ready to go (facing morning sun)




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here are the MC4 connectors ready to be connected to the MC4 extension lead back to the ALLPOWERS MPPT Anderson power-pole input.


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BUT we had nothing . . . . .

It seams that any voltage above around 21V and the ALLPOWERS will not start, You can see on the tester below the panel is putting out 21.10v but the ALLPOWERS is showing 0W charge . . . . .





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What i had to do was go back to the panel and cover some of it to reduce the VOC at the ALLPOWERS . . . . . . at that point it kicked into life.
and now due to the current flow and volt drop the Voltage at the ALLPOWERS had dropped a bit and charging had started.

at this point:

48W
17.40V
2.70A

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at this point:

54W
19.92V
2.68A

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conclusion so far.

a slightly over voltage from the VOC max around 21v the unit will not start. but cover the panel breifly and it will start.

a 100W panel would be best to power it with. any below will be fine but possibly not as efficient or effective.

the unit will self regulate itself as the max current "ISC" will only every be a max of 3A into the unit.



next test coming soon.
 
Solar test #3

Renogy suitcase 100W (just the bare panel direct to ALLPOWERS - not using panels own controller)
VOC@21.6V
ISC@2x3.0A (6A)

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Heres the Renogy 100w suiutcase, its a solid frame, twin 50W panel ( 100W) with PWM controller - all in as a kit.

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out of the case it folds out like this . .


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this is the spec sheet, again you can see different VOC & ISC levels

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folded out on its own legs you have this, and a comparison to the Renogy foldup unit.

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once again the VOC to too high for the ALLPOWERS to start, we had 22.04v to start . . . . .


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so the ALLPOWERS would not start, showing 0W charge.

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so i covered the panel a bit . . .


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then buy doing that and dropping the VOC, the ALLPOWERS kicked into life . . .

51W charge
19.08v
2.68A

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55W charge
20.85v
2.68A

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57W charge ( the highest I've seen so far)
21.15v
2.68A

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here is all 3 panels together for an idea if size....

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conclusion . . .

again same as above,


a slightly over voltage from the VOC max around 21v the unit will not start. but cover the panel briefly and it will start.

a 100W panel would be best to power it with. any below will be fine but possibly not as efficient or effective.

the unit will self regulate itself as the max current "ISC" will only every be a max of 3A into the unit.




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you can see more on the panels shown above over here :




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Solar test #4

ACCOPOWER 50W (just the bare panel direct to ALLPOWERS - not using panels own controller)
VOC@21.3V
ISC@4x0.76A (3.04A)

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Next up the 50W foldup A4, style. (the one i use for my dash top charger)

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size comparison with the others.



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39W charge
16.52v
2.43A

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heres the spec sheet for the panel.

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42W charge
16.54v
2.52A


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the setup.


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42W charge
16.53v
2.50A

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how i conected the inline meter.

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conclusion:

so you can see that the MAX i managed to get out of this 50W panel was 42W, so its worth going for a 100W panel to get the max charge rate.

The Max the ALLPOWERS will charge at is 50-60W which is limited by a cutout above VOC 21v MAX and input port limit of 3A.

So in theory you could connect 3x100w(VOC 21v) panels in parallel giving you 300w @ VOC21v and ISC of 18A . . . . . but the unit will only use 3A of the availible 18A

tho saying that the 42w from a 50W panel is very nice for the relative size comparison.

so as the booketlet says . . . . use a 50-100/110W panel for solar charging via the Anderson powerpole port.

the most effective will be a 100/110W panel (VOC@21v max) . . . though the unit will only draw 50-60W from it.


But when the same panel is connected to a PWM/MPPT on a Ctek or other you would get the full 100/110W.
 
@Dellmassive Just ordered this: Lensun ETFE 100W 12V Foldable Flexible Solar Panel with MC4 Connector, Portable Foldable Ultralight only 3.2kgs/ 7 lbs!!!

Will run a test when I get it and post on here. Just need to find a connecting cable for this to the Allpowers unit and another for the CTEK and I’m away!
Nice panel !!

(I've got the 200W version.)

Item Specifications:

Model: LS-100FD-MC4
Rated Power Output: 100W
Optimum Operating Voltage [Vmp]: 18V
Optimum Operating Current [Imp]: 5.56A
Open Circuit Voltage [Voc]: 21.24V
Short Circuit Current [Isc]: 6.11A
Cell Technology: Monocrystalline Solar Cells
Solar Cells Efficiency:21%
Production Tolerance: +3%
Output Type: Solar Cables, Solar Controller
Dimensions(unfolded): 1300 x 570 x 6 mm/51 x 22.5 x 0.24 inch
Dimensions(folded): 580 x 440 x 60 mm/ 22.8 x 17.3 x 2.3 inch
Net. Weight: 3.2 kgs/7 lbs
All Technical data at standard test condition AM=1.5, E=1000W/mm, Tc=25℃


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That panel comes with the standard MC4 connectors which is great.

Id recomend getting a MC4-MC4 extension lead (so you can place the panel in the sun, away from the van or ALLPOWERS (like i have)


heres a 15ft example -



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you will NEED an "MC4 tool" to open the MC4 conectors once they snapped closed.

i ended up just getting a kit which includes the MC4 blue tool, plus a MC4 crimper and some MC4 male/female ends to make up your own cables.

heres and example



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i then got either a pre made lead like this:


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or just the ends Anderson PowerPole / Torberry and crimp them on myself.



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Twin cable (Flat 2 Core 3.0mm² 33Amps, 5 Metres) -

https://amzn.to/377qV41

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to basically copy the ALLPOWERS lead here:




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You could then just make up a short MC4 lead for your CTEK, which would stay connected in the van.

Then when deploying mobile solar, just use the extenision lead above right to the panel.




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Solar MC4 connectors are polarity conscious in respect of where the flow of the power is coming from.


So:

Solar panel +ve (power sourse) > MC4 male ----- MPPT/CTEK ---- MC4 female +ve input
Solar panel- ve (power sourse) > MC4 female ----- MPPT/CTEK ---- MC4 male +ve input

so lt goes male to female all the way down to the charge controller.

how to make the ends - MC4 Solar Connectors


see 1.38m here>





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when making ends, just start from the solar panel and work your way down the line until you get the solar controller . . . first +ve , then -ve.

That way it will stop you crimping on the wrong end and wasting them..

like i did in the early days =]

must of binned off 20 odd ends across different projects.
 
and the final result . . .

100% recharged totally by Solar =]



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so I've swapped them over and now started to charge the second unit. . . . . .





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I have an electric coolbag that probably draws around 50W (don't know for sure though), which at 12V is then about 4A, is that right? How does the maths work to calculate how long it would last please?

This is all hypothetical in my case

yep 4A and its 105ah battery. so 105/4 = about 26 hours
 
Nice panel !!

(I've got the 200W version.)

Item Specifications:

Model: LS-100FD-MC4
Rated Power Output: 100W
Optimum Operating Voltage [Vmp]: 18V
Optimum Operating Current [Imp]: 5.56A
Open Circuit Voltage [Voc]: 21.24V
Short Circuit Current [Isc]: 6.11A
Cell Technology: Monocrystalline Solar Cells
Solar Cells Efficiency:21%
Production Tolerance: +3%
Output Type: Solar Cables, Solar Controller
Dimensions(unfolded): 1300 x 570 x 6 mm/51 x 22.5 x 0.24 inch
Dimensions(folded): 580 x 440 x 60 mm/ 22.8 x 17.3 x 2.3 inch
Net. Weight: 3.2 kgs/7 lbs
All Technical data at standard test condition AM=1.5, E=1000W/mm, Tc=25℃


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That panel comes with the standard MC4 connectors which is great.

Id recomend getting a MC4-MC4 extension lead (so you can place the panel in the sun, away from the van or ALLPOWERS (like i have)


heres a 15ft example -



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you will NEED an "MC4 tool" to open the MC4 conectors once they snapped closed.

i ended up just getting a kit which includes the MC4 blue tool, plus a MC4 crimper and some MC4 male/female ends to make up your own cables.

heres and example



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............

i then got either a pre made lead like this:


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or just the ends Anderson PowerPole / Torberry and crimp them on myself.



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Twin cable (Flat 2 Core 3.0mm² 33Amps, 5 Metres) -

https://amzn.to/377qV41

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to basically copy the ALLPOWERS lead here:




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You could then just make up a short MC4 lead for your CTEK, which would stay connected in the van.

Then when deploying mobile solar, just use the extenision lead above right to the panel.




*******************************************************

Solar MC4 connectors are polarity conscious in respect of where the flow of the power is coming from.


So:

Solar panel +ve (power sourse) > MC4 male ----- MPPT/CTEK ---- MC4 female +ve input
Solar panel- ve (power sourse) > MC4 female ----- MPPT/CTEK ---- MC4 male +ve input

so lt goes male to female all the way down to the charge controller.

how to make the ends - MC4 Solar Connectors


see 1.38m here>





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@Dellmassive Thanks! Really appreciate the detail you’ve gone into, you‘ve saved me so much time and removed a lot of the mystery around solar! I’ve ordered the pieces you’ve linked to... looking forward to running the tests when the parts arrive!
 
Solar test #5

Lesnun 220W (2x 110w in parallel0

(just the bair panel direct to ALLPOWERS - not using panels own controller)

VOC@21.24V
ISC@13.44A (6.72A + 6.72A )

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right so here we go, lets throw 220W at the ALLPOWERS.

its a cloudy day, so the single 110w panel is generating . . . 23W (VOC 16.5v 1.44A)

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so the idea is to now add a second 110W in parallel so the VOC stays the same, but the current will double.

this is the second panel . . .

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which ill connect using one of these Y branch conectors . . .


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like this . .

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then just add the second panel . . .

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a quick test before we plug in the ALLPOWERS shows we still have the VOC below 22v . . .


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then plugging in the ALLPOWERS . . . on a cloudy day like this . . .

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and BOOM 54W !!!! - with NO direct sun.


Yep 54 watts (basically the max-ish) on a cloudy day.

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So i just shows you that by doubling up on solar panels can help you eek out more power.

whats happening here is the VOC is staying the same from both panels . . . but the current is adding up.

so we are staying below the VOC.

and providing up to the ISC max of 3A of the Allpowers.

but plugged into a decent MPPT controller we could have VOC@21v ISC@13A and 220W (with this arrangement)

just need a bit od sun now to see what the max we can get will be.




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Update, both ALLPOWERS are again charged to 100% using solar.

any panel combination will work from 50W upwards, provided you keep under the 22V VOC max.

100W seems to be the sweet spopt and most effective.

54/57W was the max i saw from the MPPT anderson powerpole input.

you get a solid 60/65W from the USB-C PD charger. (which is now included in the delivery)
 
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just i naive thought , could you run another inverter(AC output 2000w) from the 12 volt output just like you would a leisure battery
 
just i naive thought , could you run another inverter(AC output 2000w) from the 12 volt output just like you would a leisure battery
Yes, but not 2000W (typo?) (2000W would draw 200A ish) (166A-200A)

the 12v socket is 10A Max output, so possibly a 100W smaller inverter maxed out. ( W=V*A ) (10A * 12v = 120W)

or more likely a 200/300W plug in inverter thats running a small load.

the onboard inverter will do 300W (500W surge)


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for those Larger inverters you would be better using the solar panels to charge a Large AGM/Lithium battery via MPPT then run the inverter from that.


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