Battery charging from cig socket

@DanTK I've got a 'Tracker Locate'. Thankfully haven't drained the vehicle battery entirely - yet!

My son was round and setup my Bluetti EB55 powerbank and EHU to van so battery is now showing 13.5 v on Tracker app. One downside is my Leisure battery was reading 3.3 V and is likely toast. So somethings been draining it.
It was only a 90Ah Probat battery so will change it in January when I get home.
Cheers
 
Maybe a silly question but how long does a Noco GB70 actually hold a charge for? I'm wondering whether it would start the car after sitting in the boot for 4-5 weeks in an airport car park.
I rarely charge mine, and it’s been put to good use of late!
 
Maybe a silly question but how long does a Noco GB70 actually hold a charge for? I'm wondering whether it would start the car after sitting in the boot for 4-5 weeks in an airport car park.
yes . . .

they hold a charge for a year (100% down to 70% @ 12mnths)
 
Does anyone know what the situation is with the power supply to the cigarette sockets on a T6.1 Highline as I'd like to identify when the sockets are live. My van did not come with a factory leisure battery and so both sockets are from the starter battery.

I have been attempting to charge through the low level socket (located by the USB-C ports).
After leaving on charge overnight, I noted that the starter battery stopped receiving charge after approximately one hour, so assume that this socket isn't continuously live, but turns off after one hour after locking the van/turning off ignition?
I'll try the high level socket now, but if anyone knows what the correct behaviour is it will help me decide if I need to install a new socket somewhere which is permanently live from the starter battery.
 
Does anyone know what the situation is with the power supply to the cigarette sockets on a T6.1 Highline as I'd like to identify when the sockets are live. My van did not come with a factory leisure battery and so both sockets are from the starter battery.

I have been attempting to charge through the low level socket (located by the USB-C ports).
After leaving on charge overnight, I noted that the starter battery stopped receiving charge after approximately one hour, so assume that this socket isn't continuously live, but turns off after one hour after locking the van/turning off ignition?
I'll try the high level socket now, but if anyone knows what the correct behaviour is it will help me decide if I need to install a new socket somewhere which is permanently live from the starter battery.
My higher level socket is permanently live (well it was until I rewired it) and on the basis the lower level socket is on the same circuit that would have been too. Mine have never shut off.

What are you using to "charge" as surely just lift the bonnet and conneccct direct would give you the best solution?
 
What are you using to "charge" as surely just lift the bonnet and conneccct direct would give you the best solution?
If you have EHU it's easier to maintain the starter battery when you are parked for a while by connecting EHU and then internally plugging in a charger with a 12v plug adapter (CTEK/NoCo etc)

Then you have no risk of external non waterproof electrical connections.
 
After leaving on charge overnight, I noted that the starter battery stopped receiving charge after approximately one hour, so assume that this socket isn't continuously live, but turns off after one hour after locking the van/turning off ignition?
Did it consistently stop at 1 hour more than once, or did it coincidentally reach full charge at about that time?

My 6.1 Caravelle is single battery but I've never actually tested for timeout on that socket. I know it's live immediately after locking as I'm religious about removing the USB charger from it. Might go and set up a test...
 
My higher level socket is permanently live (well it was until I rewired it) and on the basis the lower level socket is on the same circuit that would have been too. Mine have never shut off.

What are you using to "charge" as surely just lift the bonnet and conneccct direct would give you the best solution?
Van is plugged into mains and using Victron charger plugged into a mains socket inside the van. Was hoping to then charge through one of the cigarette sockets.
If you have EHU it's easier to maintain the starter battery when you are parked for a while by connecting EHU and then internally plugging in a charger with a 12v plug adapter (CTEK/NoCo etc)

Then you have no risk of external non waterproof electrical connections.
Yep thats what im trying to do.
Did it consistently stop at 1 hour more than once, or did it coincidentally reach full charge at about that time?

My 6.1 Caravelle is single battery but I've never actually tested for timeout on that socket. I know it's live immediately after locking as I'm religious about removing the USB charger from it. Might go and set up a test...
Yep both internal cigarette sockets cut out after 1 hour.
 
So I tested mine (MY21 T6.1 Caravelle single battery) with the USB charger as this has a bright blue light to remind me it's plugged in.

In the gear selector socket by the USB-C ports light was still on 2.5 hours after I locked the van.

I've now moved the charger to the dash top socket and will update.

EDIT top dash still Iive 18 hours after locking.

I should also note that the van is currently plugged into my trailer socket EHU and that may be preventing a full sleep as the virtual trailer is present. I'll try and repeat without tomorrow.

EDIT Just to update but with my 12v USB charger plug neither of my sockets power down when locked even after many hours.

There have been a small number of folks reporting that later 6.1s appear to not follow the dash top is secondary battery gear selector is starter battery established convention. I wonder if it's an OEM change or one of the converters approaches.
 
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I have (trickle) charged using the lower socket and it doesn’t time out, I leave a small solar panel sat on my dash as I often don’t drive van for a week or two and never had any issues with it disconnecting or battery going flat
 
I have (trickle) charged using the lower socket and it doesn’t time out, I leave a small solar panel sat on my dash as I often don’t drive van for a week or two and never had any issues with it disconnecting or battery going flat
Is that on t6.1 or t6? I am pretty certain that mine both time out after 60 mins.
 
This is odd. Everything I've read seems to indicate that the sockets are always live, but if I try and charge through either socket I get an outage after 60 mins. Maybe it's because my charger is 10a and there is some random protection? I'd have thought it would simply blow a fuse if overloaded?
 
I have a Hillside campervan that was based on a MY2023 LWB 204PS DSG 4Motion Highline panel van with a factory-fitted second battery under the passenger seat. The van was built in late April this year and I can confirm that BOTH upper and lower 12V cab sockets are fed from the second battery and are permanently live. The van was wired this way by VW and not by the converter.
 
I have a Hillside campervan that was based on a MY2023 LWB 204PS DSG 4Motion Highline panel van with a factory-fitted second battery under the passenger seat. The van was built in late April this year and I can confirm that BOTH upper and lower 12V cab sockets are fed from the second battery and are permanently live. The van was wired this way by VW and not by the converter.
Yes all T6.1’s (2019 onwards) that have factory fitted 2nd batteries are wired this way. The wiring diagrams confirm it.
 
Yes all T6.1’s (2019 onwards) that have factory fitted 2nd batteries are wired this way. The wiring diagrams confirm it.
Out of interest which diagram? Not that I have any reason to not believe you but I've studied them quite a bit as if I get around to putting the second battery in this is what I'd like to do. I've found the diagrams around power sockets fiendish to read as they have pretty.much every possible option on with a less than helpful " *depends on equipment" next to every.option.
 
+1 on the NOCO GB70 I have had one years, used to own Range Rovers and you tend to need them from time to time and even if it had not been used for a year it started both the 3.6 and 4.4 Diesels no problem and multiple times!

I also have a factory fit secondary battery, and both my upper and lower 12v sockets are permanently live, but sadly not the USB-C ports so I had to run another in from the second battery.
 
Out of interest which diagram? Not that I have any reason to not believe you but I've studied them quite a bit as if I get around to putting the second battery in this is what I'd like to do. I've found the diagrams around power sockets fiendish to read as they have pretty.much every possible option on with a less than helpful " *depends on equipment" next to every.option.
Sorry it’s me getting a bit mixed up between my hand annotated diagrams from stripping my factory wiring out, the originals and the advice that is often given on this forum that the upper socket is leisure and lower is starter, which is not the case on a T6.1.
On T6.1s both cab sockets are shown as wired to the same fuse SH6 as per “Cigarette lighter and 12v sockets from May 2019 No. 34/1”.
So both are fed from the same battery. So that’s where my “wiring diagrams confirm it” comment originated.
Now which battery?
Looking at diagram “Second battery, not camper, (8FB) From Aug 2019 No 78/1 it shows that only fuses SH9 and SH4 are fed from the secondary battery via fuse SG2 so logically you’d think the cab sockets were connected to the starter, but this certainly isn't the case and where the “depends on equipment” must come in.

On mine, from the factory, SG2 was a common feed to fuses SH1 through to SH8 (not just SH9 and SH4) and my cab sockets were actually wired to fuse SH7 (and not fuse SH6)!!, hence my hand annotated diagrams.

Since upgrading to a Roamer 230SB, I had to scrap the SG and SH fuse block and have rewired to my own fuses.


I’ve yet to hear of someone with a T6.1, with a factory installed 2nd battery, where the cab sockets are connected to the starter battery or one to the starter and one to the leisure, but maybe there is an equipment option where it does happen.

Shows you have to treat the diagrams (and advice given) with caution and take note of the “rough guide” disclaimer.
 
10 Amps is a lot for a cigarette socket. 8 Amps max generally, and I charge this way with a 5 Amp charger.

Pete
I'm none the wiser with my problem.
I agree that 10A is on the edge of too much to charge through the socket, but I'm using a Victron Bluesmart 25A charger that only has a reduced charging current setting of 10A and I accepted that this could have blown a fuse to the sockets, but my symptom is that the van charges the starter battery for one hour and then the starter battery stops receiving charge despite the charger being "alive".
My van is a highline PV, so both sockets are wired directly to the starter battery.
I am baffled why the charge drops after an hour as leaving a usb charging plug (with an LED) stays alive indefinitely, so why is the charge stopping after an hour?
I don't want to buy a smaller charger until I've identified why the sockets turn off after an hour.
 
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