Cambelt + Water Pump Replacement - Official guidance

I'm in email correspondence (again) with VW Commercial at the moment and will post the text of the exchange when complete. At the moment, they have simply restated the requirement for 4 years or 80,000 miles but have not explained why we VW van owners in the UK are treated differently to those in mainland Europe - I have asked again but am not hopeful of a reply other than 'suck it up'. Watch this space.
 
Is there official VW document(guidance) to support this time basis for timing belt replacement?


200,000Km - (124,000miles) is stated on the service document.

with regular checks upto that point.







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VW website ( but mention cars ) - VW Cambelts Frequently Asked Questions | Volkswagen UK

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We recommend changing your cambelt once every four years for cars registered before September 2009, and every five years for cars registered after. If you reach the recommended mileage limit before 4 or 5 years, you may need to change the cambelt sooner. For more information, contact your local retailer.

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Cam Belt Replacement procedure -​


details new bolts that should be replaced.


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The T6 2.0L TDi SSP-564​




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more info to be added . . .
 
As I said above, I'll post the results of my ongoing email correspondence with VW Commercial when I get the next response but they have already said to me that the above quoted 4 or 5 year change as dictated by Volkswagen UK does NOT apply to vans - they added that 'Volkswagen UK' are cars only and a different entity to 'Volkswagen Commercial' who sell the vans. Sounds like the weasel is vomiting words to me!
 
There's Gates official, VW official then VWUK official... :)


Loz said:
Gates the belt manufacturer says design life 10 Years
Gates manufacture to VW agreed 7-year life span
VW Group says 210,000K
VWUK (a sales company) says 4 years plus water pump due to labour (you might as well do both)


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As I said above, I'll post the results of my ongoing email correspondence with VW Commercial when I get the next response but they have already said to me that the above quoted 4 or 5 year change as dictated by Volkswagen UK does NOT apply to vans - they added that 'Volkswagen UK' are cars only and a different entity to 'Volkswagen Commercial' who sell the vans. Sounds like the weasel is vomiting words to me!

Going down a rabbit hole here . . . . .

trying to find out who VWCV actually are -

as i was told when i recently had my van done. - VW All-in plan?

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they checked a second Sportline REG/VIN against the VW mothership and the same results come back.
as we know the Sportline is a UK model tweak . . . and the Sportline-ness is added in the UK after the factory build,
apparently. . . . the garage was telling me that the PR build codes are supposed to be changed when the van is in the UK.?
so when they done the ALL-IN check there was a difference.?
The service guy also pointed out a very good point about warranty claims . . . ie a snapped spring - the computer shows standard suspension, yet the van has -40mm elbracs fitted . . . . . so what happens then?
after another hour . . . . . we have a new outcome.
It passed.

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so whos are VWCV? VW-UK? VW Vans Uk? etc etc

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Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles (VWCV; German: Volkswagen Nutzfahrzeuge [ˈfɔlksˌvaːɡn̩ ˈnʊtsˌfaːɐ̯tsɔʏɡə], abbreviated VWN [ˌfaʊveːˈʔɛn]) is a German marque of light commercial vehicles, owned by Volkswagen Group. It is headquartered in Hannover, Lower Saxony, Germany. Originally part of Volkswagen Passenger Cars (business area), it has operated as a separate marque since 1995.

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There’s lots of advice and answers to the most frequently asked questions here.

You can chat with us by clicking on the bubble in the bottom right-hand corner of the screen.

If you really need to speak to us direct, call 0800 783 4909.

You can also email us directly at customercare@vwcv.co.uk or complete a form


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that redirects to - VW Vans & Commercial Vehicles | Volkswagen UK

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What is the contact address for Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles UK
Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles
PO Box 9004
Leeds
LS1 9WA



How can I contact Customer Care?
Customer Care details:
- Email: customercare@vwcv.co.uk
- Telephone: 0800 783 4909



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GOV UK list these on companies house.







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im getting no where.

it looks like VWCV is just a part of the main VW Group - UK Ltd.

for the UK based products and main dealer franchise operations.

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checkout the turnover though . . . £8314.7 MILLION !!!!!

Gross profit - £713.0 MILLION !!!!!!


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I also need a cam belt and water pump change as van is nearing 4 years, it has only done 8.500 miles but is obviously the four year mark.
I have been quoted by an independent garage that specialises in Porsche, Audi, VW, Mercedes in Peterborough .
They have quoted using a Gates cambelt and waterproof at £460 which includes an oil change.

My question is are Gates a reputable band or should I insist on genuine VW. I see some threads have stated that some Gates kits were subject to a recall a few years ago.
Regards Dave
 
Cheers for the reply Loz, it is very much appreciated. I have warranty through an aftermarket company so will have to stick to the service schedules.
 
Cheers for the reply Loz, it is very much appreciated. I have warranty through an aftermarket company so will have to stick to the service schedules.
I’m coming up for 33k miles and my cambelt is booked for 23rd. Seems a shame to do it so early but I too have to protect my extended warranty
 
I'm in email correspondence (again) with VW Commercial at the moment and will post the text of the exchange when complete. At the moment, they have simply restated the requirement for 4 years or 80,000 miles but have not explained why we VW van owners in the UK are treated differently to those in mainland Europe - I have asked again but am not hopeful of a reply other than 'suck it up'. Watch this space.

OK, I've had what I think is the final word on this issue from VW Commercial Vehicles (UK). I'll leave you all to make your own minds up but I translate their final answer as them saying 'we believe that UK VW van buyers are bigger suckers than those in mainland Europe and we are therefore insisting on earlier cambelt changes for them because we think we can get away with it and make more money so hard luck'. This is the full text of the exchange:

Sent: 9 March

I’ve got a 2018 T6 150PS manual (Registration: **18***) and I am being given conflicting advice about when the cambelt should be changed. One van centre has told me 4 years and another 5 years (the van has only just done 10000 miles).

Could you please advice on the correct time period.

Thank you.

Received: 11 March

Dear ** *****

Thank you for your recent contact to Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles UK regarding the cambelt interval for your vehicle.

I have investigated the issue and can confirm that the cambelt interval for the above vehicle is 4 years.

If I can be of any further assistance, please contact me on the details below.

Kind regards

Alex *******
Customer Relations Advisor

Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles

T
0800 783 4909
E customercare@vwcv.co.uk
Internet: www.volkswagen-vans.co.uk

Sent: 11 March

Thanks for that BUT how does it stack up with the advice on the VW UK website which states:

‘We recommend changing your cambelt once every four years for cars registered before September 2009, and every five years for cars registered after.’

See: VW Cambelts Frequently Asked Questions | Volkswagen UK

I am also aware that the advice for cambelt changes within mainland Europe imposes no such time constraints on cambelt life and on that basis, the advice in your message below does not seem to make a lot of sense (apart, of course from the fact that VW stand to make a lot of money from the UK policy which could be seen as amounting to profiteering by insisting upon unnecessary work). I should therefore be grateful for advice on why you should mandate the 4 year life for a cambelt - please do not say that it is caused by environmental or weather conditions as they can be far harsher than in Scandinavia / Northern Europe or, indeed, Southern Europe.

Thanks in anticipation.

Received: 11 March

Dear ** *****

Thank you for the swift response and my sincere apologies for not addressing that point.

Volkswagen Group UK is the authorized supplier of Volkswagen Group products into the UK. As such, each individual country is its own authorized VWG franchise. VWG's global guidelines differ from product to product and from country to country. They also supply different recommendations based on product derivatives i.e. engine size/specification. On some occasions "best practice" may differ across each country or in relation to Volkswagen Group Germany's recommendations.

After substantial compliance and approval testing during production, both VWG Germany and Volkswagen Group UK determined that changing the timing belt (including a possible check/change of the water pump) prolongs the life of our UK product derivatives specifically and as such, reduces the chance of our customer's suffering a catastrophic failure of the timing belt, leading to a potential engine seizure/valve damage (and likely a substantial repair bill).

Please allow me to apologize as I appreciate any maintenance costs for a premium product such as yours can sometime be challenging but we only recommend the best for our customers. Please also be aware that any work completed by our approved Volkswagen Group networks comes with an OEM 2 year part guarantee and 12month labour guarantee - something not usually supplied by independent garages.

If you would like to discuss anything else or need any further clarification, please feel free to contact me.

Kind regards

Alex *******
Customer Relations Advisor
 
OK, I've had what I think is the final word on this issue from VW Commercial Vehicles (UK). I'll leave you all to make your own minds up but I translate their final answer as them saying 'we believe that UK VW van buyers are bigger suckers than those in mainland Europe and we are therefore insisting on earlier cambelt changes for them because we think we can get away with it and make more money so hard luck'. This is the full text of the exchange:

Sent: 9 March

I’ve got a 2018 T6 150PS manual (Registration: **18***) and I am being given conflicting advice about when the cambelt should be changed. One van centre has told me 4 years and another 5 years (the van has only just done 10000 miles).

Could you please advice on the correct time period.

Thank you.

Received: 11 March

Dear ** *****

Thank you for your recent contact to Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles UK regarding the cambelt interval for your vehicle.

I have investigated the issue and can confirm that the cambelt interval for the above vehicle is 4 years.

If I can be of any further assistance, please contact me on the details below.

Kind regards

Alex *******
Customer Relations Advisor

Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles

T
0800 783 4909
E customercare@vwcv.co.uk
Internet: www.volkswagen-vans.co.uk

Sent: 11 March

Thanks for that BUT how does it stack up with the advice on the VW UK website which states:

‘We recommend changing your cambelt once every four years for cars registered before September 2009, and every five years for cars registered after.’

See: VW Cambelts Frequently Asked Questions | Volkswagen UK

I am also aware that the advice for cambelt changes within mainland Europe imposes no such time constraints on cambelt life and on that basis, the advice in your message below does not seem to make a lot of sense (apart, of course from the fact that VW stand to make a lot of money from the UK policy which could be seen as amounting to profiteering by insisting upon unnecessary work). I should therefore be grateful for advice on why you should mandate the 4 year life for a cambelt - please do not say that it is caused by environmental or weather conditions as they can be far harsher than in Scandinavia / Northern Europe or, indeed, Southern Europe.

Thanks in anticipation.

Received: 11 March

Dear ** *****

Thank you for the swift response and my sincere apologies for not addressing that point.

Volkswagen Group UK is the authorized supplier of Volkswagen Group products into the UK. As such, each individual country is its own authorized VWG franchise. VWG's global guidelines differ from product to product and from country to country. They also supply different recommendations based on product derivatives i.e. engine size/specification. On some occasions "best practice" may differ across each country or in relation to Volkswagen Group Germany's recommendations.

After substantial compliance and approval testing during production, both VWG Germany and Volkswagen Group UK determined that changing the timing belt (including a possible check/change of the water pump) prolongs the life of our UK product derivatives specifically and as such, reduces the chance of our customer's suffering a catastrophic failure of the timing belt, leading to a potential engine seizure/valve damage (and likely a substantial repair bill).

Please allow me to apologize as I appreciate any maintenance costs for a premium product such as yours can sometime be challenging but we only recommend the best for our customers. Please also be aware that any work completed by our approved Volkswagen Group networks comes with an OEM 2 year part guarantee and 12month labour guarantee - something not usually supplied by independent garages.

If you would like to discuss anything else or need any further clarification, please feel free to contact me.

Kind regards

Alex *******
Customer Relations Advisor
“Please allow me to apologize as I appreciate any maintenance costs for a premium product such as yours can sometime be challenging”

Is he saying that you can’t afford it?
 
Fascinating how people interpret things differently. When I read that, my initial reaction was merely that he acknowledged that running a sophisticated vehicle (as you have chosen to do) comes with a cost.

While of course, it remains fascinating that the vehicles are clearly "less sophisticated" in many other parts of the world. So I share the cynicism, especially as our 4 year old 204 has just had a belt change at 17,500 miles - and my then 10-year-old Volvo (fabulous 5 cyl engine - I like it a lot) has also had it's first ever belt change at just under 80,000 miles, as per "the book". The water pump doesn't need changing either, I was advised.
 
Fascinating how people interpret things differently. When I read that, my initial reaction was merely that he acknowledged that running a sophisticated vehicle (as you have chosen to do) comes with a cost.

While of course, it remains fascinating that the vehicles are clearly "less sophisticated" in many other parts of the world. So I share the cynicism, especially as our 4 year old 204 has just had a belt change at 17,500 miles - and my then 10-year-old Volvo (fabulous 5 cyl engine - I like it a lot) has also had it's first ever belt change at just under 80,000 miles, as per "the book". The water pump doesn't need changing either, I was advised.
I don’t feel so bad now - had mine done yesterday at 32k miles!
 
It is well worth pricing the cambelt in a few VW dealers which I did today.

One gave me a price of £620.83 for all the work - cam belt, water pump, pulleys and tensioner, plus auxiliary belt & tensioner which they said was £100 on its own.

The second garage 25 miles away priced all the above for the full price of £532.50.

Above prices were minus VAT as I drive a disabled adapted VW Caravelle.

Had first cam belt changed at 16500 miles in 2018 and now am at 33000 miles so due another change.
 
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