CXGB 102PS Engine Life Expectancy

[Roman Mac]

Hi,
I'm hoping for some advice/pointers regarding my 2017 VW T6, which has a 2.0 litre diesel engine with 107,000 miles on the clock. I recently put the van into a trusted local garage, as the engine warning light came on. The mechanic ran a diasnostic check and it threw up four codes. One of them was P13D600 (sensor for internal pressure of cylinder 3 implausible signal). He said he could sort out the other codes, but not the one above. He told me he had a van in with the same code last year and after investigation, a bent conrod was the cause of it, so he advised me to book my van into main dealer for further investigation. I did this and was told by the VW mechanic I needed a new pressure sensor, which cost £315. After
giving them the go ahead they got back to me saying the engine warning light was still on and that the fault must lie elsewhere! I then paid for an extra 2 hours labour (£240) for further investigation. Was told compression is down on all four cylinders and its looking more likely to be internal damage...possibly a bent con-rod. Now they tell me they need to take the cylinder head off and investigate internal engine parts, which is a further 7 hours labour charge = roughly £1000 !!! They also told me the engine may need replacing altogether.

107,000 miles on a 2017 T6 with full VW service history and it's looking highly likely that the enfine is kaput!!!! Surely that kind of engine life expectancy can't be right. VW said they'll contact their warranty people to see if there's anything they can do re:goodwill, but I'm not too hopeful. Has anyone else had a similar experience? Any advice/pointers will be most welcome. Thanks in advance!

 

[Sasquatch]

How long have you yourself had the van?

All told you need to see precisely what the problem is before making any judgement or deciding a course of action. For the moment we can, sadly, only speculate.

 

[manfrotto]

Which model engine is it - Biturbo model ?

 

[Roman Mac]

How long have you yourself had the van?

All told you need to see precisely what the problem is before making any judgement or deciding a course of action. For the moment we can, sadly, only speculate.

We bought the van 8 months ago from a campervan company.

 

[Roman Mac]

Which model engine is it - Biturbo model ?

Variant says GCXGB300X0
2.0 litre T30 ST-LN TDI BMT ?

 

[T6Paul]

All T6 are 2 litres, which bhp version is it and has it been mapped? Has it been clocked?

 

[Roman Mac]

All T6 are 2 litres, which bhp version is it and has it been mapped? Has it been clocked?

Hi, It's 102bhp hasn't been mapped or clocked, cheers

 

[Dellmassive]

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[Dellmassive]

CFCA?

2016 180PS Bi-TDi CFCA engine failure

Hi all Just stripped down and rebuilt the engine on a 2016 T6 180 bi-turbo CFCA engine after it failed on the A557 heading for Widnes originally had the van recovered to VW van center Liverpool for repair as I thought it was just a failed injector. After a couple of weeks, they said it had no...

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[T6Paul]

Hi, It's 102bhp hasn't been mapped or clocked, cheers

I thought the 102bhp was fairly reliable and it was just the gearbox that was weak. Would a bent con rod throw an EML?
If compression is low I’d probably try to find an engine specialist rather than rely on VW guesswork at their labour rates. Hopefully someone on the forum can recommend a specialist or offer guidance for investigation.

 

[Sasquatch]

We bought the van 8 months ago from a campervan company.

Hhhmmm. So it's had significant mileage and time with previous owner(s), so it could equally be maltreatment as much as a problem inherent with the design or manufacture.

You also don't know that it hadn't been previously remapped and then restored to original prior to sale. Unlikely, but it happens - I sold a Peugeot that had been mapped and the new owner wanted back to standard (the tuner restored the original map FOC.)

Please let us know what the investigation turns up. Fingers crossed for some positivity in the result. Compression can be low for a number of reasons, hopefully it'll turn out to be one of the less expensive ones.

 

[DaveD]

Hi,
I'm hoping for some advice/pointers regarding my 2017 VW T6, which has a 2.0 litre diesel engine with 107,000 miles on the clock. I recently put the van into a trusted local garage, as the engine warning light came on. The mechanic ran a diasnostic check and it threw up four codes. One of them was P13D600 (sensor for internal pressure of cylinder 3 implausible signal). He said he could sort out the other codes, but not the one above. He told me he had a van in with the same code last year and after investigation, a bent conrod was the cause of it, so he advised me to book my van into main dealer for further investigation. I did this and was told by the VW mechanic I needed a new pressure sensor, which cost £315. After
giving them the go ahead they got back to me saying the engine warning light was still on and that the fault must lie elsewhere! I then paid for an extra 2 hours labour (£240) for further investigation. Was told compression is down on all four cylinders and its looking more likely to be internal damage...possibly a bent con-rod. Now they tell me they need to take the cylinder head off and investigate internal engine parts, which is a further 7 hours labour charge = roughly £1000 !!! They also told me the engine may need replacing altogether.

107,000 miles on a 2017 T6 with full VW service history and it's looking highly likely that the enfine is kaput!!!! Surely that kind of engine life expectancy can't be right. VW said they'll contact their warranty people to see if there's anything they can do re:goodwill, but I'm not too hopeful. Has anyone else had a similar experience? Any advice/pointers will be most welcome. Thanks in advance!

Well it wouldn't be much consolation but I think they should have reimbursed you the £315 that they billed you because they believed that the sensor was faulty when a compression test before fitting a new sensor would have highlighted that it wasn't faulty.
Your van isn't especially high mileage, it's not unusual for T6's to do twice as many miles or more if well cared for.

 

[Roman Mac]

I thought the 102bhp was fairly reliable and it was just the gearbox that was weak. Would a bent con rod throw an EML?
If compression is low I’d probably try to find an engine specialist rather than rely on VW guesswork at their labour rates. Hopefully someone on the forum can recommend a specialist or offer guidance for investigation.

Hi Paul,
Thanks for that. The mechanic who done the diagnostic check told me the code that was thrown out could be down to a bent con rod, as he had a previous customer who had that problem and VW replaced the engine block, even though it out of warranty. Current situation is they need to strip down the internals to locate the fault. 7 hour labour charge! They told me this morning that the problem could simply be engine wear, because it may not have been driven very well by its previous owner!!! It passed all 4 of 5 mots with no advisories!!!! The only one it failed on was a defective/inoperative EML in 2020...it's first MOT!! It's getting on my t1ts now!

I thought the 102bhp was fairly reliable and it was just the gearbox that was weak. Would a bent con rod throw an EML?
If compression is low I’d probably try to find an engine specialist rather than rely on VW guesswork at their labour rates. Hopefully someone on the forum can recommend a specialist or offer guidance for investigation.

 

[Roman Mac]

Hhhmmm. So it's had significant mileage and time with previous owner(s), so it could equally be maltreatment as much as a problem inherent with the design or manufacture.

You also don't know that it hadn't been previously remapped and then restored to original prior to sale. Unlikely, but it happens - I sold a Peugeot that had been mapped and the new owner wanted back to standard (the tuner restored the original map FOC.)

Please let us know what the investigation turns up. Fingers crossed for some positivity in the result. Compression can be low for a number of reasons, hopefully it'll turn out to be one of the less expensive ones.

Thanks sasquatch!
Well the bill so far is £700 and they still haven't nailed down the problem. Now they need 7 hours labour charge to strip the block down and check pistons, rods, bores etc = £1000 !!!! Sick is an understatement. They've asked for service history to see if they can offer any goodwill, but at 107,000 miles said it might just be wear that has caused the engine to go kaput. I'm not buying that!
...especially with a full VW service history, plus 4 mot passes with no advisories!!!

 

[Roman Mac]

CFCA?

2016 180PS Bi-TDi CFCA engine failure

Hi all Just stripped down and rebuilt the engine on a 2016 T6 180 bi-turbo CFCA engine after it failed on the A557 heading for Widnes originally had the van recovered to VW van center Liverpool for repair as I thought it was just a failed injector. After a couple of weeks, they said it had no...

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Not sure which type mate,

 

[Roman Mac]

Well it wouldn't be much consolation but I think they should have reimbursed you the £315 that they billed you because they believed that the sensor was faulty when a compression test before fitting a new sensor would have highlighted that it wasn't faulty.
Your van isn't especially high mileage, it's not unusual for T6's to do twice as many miles or more if well cared for.

Exactly mate. Thanks for that. Just wondering if their fault finding process would be replacing the sensor 'before' doing a compression test. I'm expecting that's what they'd tell me...process of elimination etc. Your advice makes sense to me though.

 

[Sasquatch]

Thanks sasquatch!
Well the bill so far is £700 and they still haven't nailed down the problem. Now they need 7 hours labour charge to strip the block down and check pistons, rods, bores etc = £1000 !!!! Sick is an understatement. They've asked for service history to see if they can offer any goodwill, but at 107,000 miles said it might just be wear that has caused the engine to go kaput. I'm not buying that!
...especially with a full VW service history, plus 4 mot passes with no advisories!!!

To be honest I'd take it elsewhere. A £700 quote seems high when they might lift the head and the problem could be immediately apparent after 1-2 hours. Sounds like they're pulling numbers out of thin air.

All you know is there is a loss of compression across four cylinders. A decent garage will be honest and state that they have no idea what it may be and that they will charge £xyz per hour until the fault becomes apparent, and then explain the process they intend to follow and the order in which they'll be stripping it down so you can at least make an informed decision. What you've been quoted far sounds a bit finger in the wind to me.

It shouldn't be down to wear  if the engine has been maintained diligently and driven with a degree of respect. Sadly it's come to you with a good number of years and miles under its belt from someone else so you can't guarantee that is the case.

Best of luck.

 

[Roman Mac]

To be honest I'd take it elsewhere. A £700 quote seems high when they might lift the head and the problem could be immediately apparent after 1-2 hours. Sounds like they're pulling numbers out of thin air.

All you know is there is a loss of compression across four cylinders. A decent garage will be honest and state that they have no idea what it may be and that they will charge £xyz per hour until the fault becomes apparent, and then explain the process they intend to follow and the order in which they'll be stripping it down so you can at least make an informed decision. What you've been quoted far sounds a bit finger in the wind to me.

It shouldn't be down to wear  if the engine has been maintained diligently and driven with a degree of respect. Sadly it's come to you with a good number of years and miles under its belt from someone else so you can't guarantee that is the case.

Best of luck.

 

[Roman Mac]

Thanks for that Sasquatch. Some good points. I'll let you know the outcome. VW Warranty are looking at the situation, but I'm not getting ahead of myself regarding them offering goodwill. We'll see...

 

[Sanyes]

you just got unlucky, the 102 hp (CXGB) engine, from my point of view, is pretty resilient.
I have bough a second-hand van with ~270k miles on it and drove it for another ~20k miles until my injectors failed (original ones from factory) and decided it was more feasible to swap the whole engine.