First MOT fail

[Bigsidavies]

@The Bear78 that does look to be the case. I was going off what I was told a couple of years ago by the garage when my car failed an early mot. There were no dangerous or major items either.
That's good to know and does make sense.

 

[Bigsidavies]

after fail or pass it will come up on gov.com mot checker within hours i won't be driving my T6 until i take it in to be done . Not worth the risk . i am convinced its the 20 inch wheels that i have had on ...there is always a pay off .

Many have run 20' wheels with no probs, me included (tempting fate right here). I've done about 30k on 20's and I know it had 20's on for a long time before I bought it.
I'm at 137K and as far as I'm aware suspension components (except koni shocks an springs) are original. Yours does seem like they don't know what they are looking at/for.

 

[RobertO2023]

I have run 20” for years and have had no issues whatsoever with premature wear on suspension components. It’s important to say that the geometry is checked when any modification is made to suspension set up. Also consider that there may be a slight increase in unsprung weight with larger wheels and tyres.

 

[Sasquatch]

Doesn't this only apply if the failure makes the vehicle dangerous to drive?

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There are two issues here.

Fisrt is is the previous M.O.T. That is valid until it's expiry. No ifs, no buts. That is a document matter, administrative, and is absolute. As far as document offences go there are none to be had in this scenario.

Then there is the issue of road worthiness. Regardless of where and when the fault was identified, it might be an offence to drive with that fault. Or it might not - not all M.O.T. failures are necessary dangerous, and not all failures are necessary a breach of construction and use regs. So depending very much on the nature of the failure there might be an offence to use the vehicle on the road prior to rectification.

The bottom line is the common sense one - there are no need for semantics here. Whether a fault has been identified at an MOT, at a service, when you clean the car, by a soothsayer, or by a pedestrian that you've just run over, it is inadvisable to drive it if it might be dangerous.

 

[Dundee_Kev]

I'm assuming it'll be the rear most bushes on the arms and I would doubt they'll be required. I have no idea if they use the same bushes as the t6, but assuming they do, then they are designed to have movement.

I would question or have a look at them. Unless the bushes are totally split and causing the pin of the arm to hit against the outer part of the bush, then it's a pass in my eyes.

There won't be many transporters running around that don't get a thump from the front suspension bushes when you dab the brake on, especially when coupled with bigger wheels

 

[bramble]

The guy at the mot garage said you could hear it clunk on inspection thats when attention was taken on it .

Was it Kwik Fit by any chance?

No

 

[Dundee_Kev]

Maybe they are knackered then, just finding it hard at that age and mileage. Without a video or picture then very hard to say

Sounds like cadbury won the contract to bush VW arms!

 

[bramble]

Maybe they are knackered then, just finding it hard at that age and mileage. Without a video or picture then very hard to say

Sounds like cadbury won the contract to bush VW arms!

I know exactly what you mean ..They said at the garage they couldn't believe it . Might get it checked at a mates truck garage who i know . It could pass at another place and again fail at another . When i take it in if my mate can't get around to looking at it .
When i take it in i will ask them to show it to me . I had full confidence in that it would clearly pass on that mileage .
Truck mechanic mate said ....it doesn't surprise him these days with cheap brought in parts ..gets it all the time on trucks .
Could even been a bad batch maybe when new . The front tyre wear only lasted 10 ...11 thousand .
7 to 6 thousand on the standards as i swap them in winter ...hardly any wear.

 

[bramble]

Maybe they are knackered then, just finding it hard at that age and mileage. Without a video or picture then very hard to say

Sounds like cadbury won the contract to bush VW arms!

Indeed they have ...been and had them checked at another garage and sure enough knackered without doubt .
There was loads of play before it was even jacked up .i hope the new ones will be of a better quality .
Can only think it must be a poor batch or something .
i hope VW get started to get better quality suspension arms for there own sake ...there have been others on here with the same problem or close to fail .
Maybe the older T6 "s had better components which take the 20" wheel ......very disappointed .

False economy comes to mind . VW warranty will just say 20" innit .

 

[Sasquatch]

i hope VW get started to get better quality suspension arms for there own sake ...there have been others on here with the same problem or close to fail .

And the silent majority that haven't.

 

[Dundee_Kev]

Was it the rear most bush that was knackered?

Might be the time to poly bush the arms.

 

[bramble]

Hopefully it will be sorted in the VW camp and go back to better suspension arms ,
Clearly must have been better as some guys or a lot have said they have had no issues with the S Arm .
And the guys with 20" wheels on have said they have had them on up to 70 thou without issues .
I am very unhappy about all this .

Was it the rear most bush that was knackered?

Might be the time to poly bush the arms.

Correct ...but both were bad . another thing of interest was the front tyre wear .
They went about 9 to 10 thousand miles . the tyre fitting company where we live the guy there who has been in business for 40 years ..i know him personally , said he had never seen one wear the way it had all uneven all round and said there is something wrong somewhere hear . Think he was right .
I am a fan of VW campers i have had Bay windows in the past and moved on to comfort and bought one of the first T6 in blackberry with palmerston wheels which were great 18" proper VW genuine , and like a t**t i sold the van with them on not realising how dear they were .
Had no issues with the 18" tyres with that one but tyres did wear, but with much more miles than my 20's
and with no issues with the suspension arms wearing .
Big question is now with my T6.1 which i bought new what else have they cut corners on quality ...hopefully just that
Its a cracking looking motor in Fontana red with narrow cabinets 3 rib bed nice and big .
Difficult to match this if i go elsewhere .

 

[Sabre]

The guy I go to for my MOT's said there's a habit in a lot of places to be unrealistically harsh as an arse covering exercise. He talks me through each and every issue as he sees it, against the legal required the MOT test.

 

[bramble]

The guy I go to for my MOT's said there's a habit in a lot of places to be unrealistically harsh as an arse covering exercise. He talks me through each and every issue as he sees it, against the legal required the MOT test.

Any engineer who knows his trade shouldn't need to cover his arse . if the guy at my MOT garage let my T6.1 pass on these suspension arms ...he would indeed need to cover his arse .

 

[Dundee_Kev]

There are more MOT stations closed due to failing cars than there is for passing them, or at least that's what our local inspector says.

Doing an MOT to the proper standards, you'll be surprised what ends up being a pass, bushes being one of them......