It’ll probably take a LWB to jam the battery bank in.
Future Of Diesel Engines.
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It’ll probably take a LWB to jam the battery bank in.
Diesel is going to be around for generations yet. It only got a bad name because of the amount of NOX it was producing.
They have pretty much got rid of NOX now so diesels will carry on till oil runs dry.
I have a friend that hauls cars in and out of London every day. The ulez tarrif has meant he has had to update his fleet but he just passed that cost onto the customer.
He also uses an Audi Q7 to trailer some motors too and that got an advisory the other day for being too clean...lol...and yet a 50 year old Bentley he picked up the other day that nearly made me pass out with fumes is allowed into London with no charge. Go figure.
Diesel is a massive source of tax income and will be around for ages yet.
They have pretty much got rid of NOX now so diesels will carry on till oil runs dry.
I have a friend that hauls cars in and out of London every day. The ulez tarrif has meant he has had to update his fleet but he just passed that cost onto the customer.
He also uses an Audi Q7 to trailer some motors too and that got an advisory the other day for being too clean...lol...and yet a 50 year old Bentley he picked up the other day that nearly made me pass out with fumes is allowed into London with no charge. Go figure.
Diesel is a massive source of tax income and will be around for ages yet.
Diesel may be around a while yet but there are are big changes coming in the shipping world which might affect motorists.
IMO2020 contains new regulations regarding cleaning up ships emissions, ships will be required to switch from High Sulphur Fuel Oil (HSFO)to a low sulphur alternative. Many will switch to Marine Gas Oil (MGO) which is very close to Diesel.
Refineries will need to process more Crude Oil as a result if the capacity exists, this may affect prices.
IMO2020 contains new regulations regarding cleaning up ships emissions, ships will be required to switch from High Sulphur Fuel Oil (HSFO)to a low sulphur alternative. Many will switch to Marine Gas Oil (MGO) which is very close to Diesel.
Refineries will need to process more Crude Oil as a result if the capacity exists, this may affect prices.
I'd imagine in the future, they would look at 48 volt hybrid Electric battery/Diesel motors to reduce and meet tougher emissions, before moving over to 100% Battery or even hydrogen
Still a huge need for diesel engines in transportation, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out over the next 10 years.
Still a huge need for diesel engines in transportation, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out over the next 10 years.
There are always new regs popping up here there and everywhere. It's obviously the cleaner way forward. Better for my kids and their future generations.
However, oil (black gold as it's known in the business) is far too plentiful and one of the easiest fuel resources to collect...........
There is so much left and it is such a good taxable resource that it will be going strong for many generations.
Canada has some of the biggest oil fields in the world but have not even started to remove any yet........
Its inevitable that regs have got to change to clean up the old bad for the planet diesel engines, but our every day vans and cars will be going strong for another 30 years yet.
But I agree with above statements that diesel as with all fuels will increase in price at the consumer end to justify the cleaner fuels.
I'm still a strong believer that road tax should be abolished and the levey put on fuel.
More miles we do the more we pay tax in fuel.
It only gets put back into the consumer at the end anyhow. Food and product prices reflect the cost of haulage in their price.
Before people jump in and moan at me for the tax on fuel I propose.....we should also do what the French do and demonstrate and block ports to stop the government making so much duty on fuel. Most of us moan about the fuel prices but we all just go along with it and pay regardless.
I'll stop ranting now as I can go on forever about this..lol
However, oil (black gold as it's known in the business) is far too plentiful and one of the easiest fuel resources to collect...........
There is so much left and it is such a good taxable resource that it will be going strong for many generations.
Canada has some of the biggest oil fields in the world but have not even started to remove any yet........
Its inevitable that regs have got to change to clean up the old bad for the planet diesel engines, but our every day vans and cars will be going strong for another 30 years yet.
But I agree with above statements that diesel as with all fuels will increase in price at the consumer end to justify the cleaner fuels.
I'm still a strong believer that road tax should be abolished and the levey put on fuel.
More miles we do the more we pay tax in fuel.
It only gets put back into the consumer at the end anyhow. Food and product prices reflect the cost of haulage in their price.
Before people jump in and moan at me for the tax on fuel I propose.....we should also do what the French do and demonstrate and block ports to stop the government making so much duty on fuel. Most of us moan about the fuel prices but we all just go along with it and pay regardless.
I'll stop ranting now as I can go on forever about this..lol
I live in Bristol, big convo at the moment is the ban on diesel in the city centre, or more that there will be a charge.
I know it isn't easy to get hold of petrol vans and its likely they'd be thirsty, but does anyone think the aditional cost of fuel might be less than the cost of driving through (a growing number of) cities with bans/charges?
My van needs to last FOREVER (imagine a threatening face) .. I don't want to get 3 years in and have to think about changing it....
Any thoughts?
I know it isn't easy to get hold of petrol vans and its likely they'd be thirsty, but does anyone think the aditional cost of fuel might be less than the cost of driving through (a growing number of) cities with bans/charges?
My van needs to last FOREVER (imagine a threatening face) .. I don't want to get 3 years in and have to think about changing it....
Any thoughts?
Personally it's not really a great concern for me, but then i live in the sticks and dont ever take the van into cities.
I do think Bristol will be one of the first to fall though, and if i lived there it would certainly be a consideration. But in terms of a "forever van", i dont think buying a petrol version will necessarily ring fence against that risk
I do think Bristol will be one of the first to fall though, and if i lived there it would certainly be a consideration. But in terms of a "forever van", i dont think buying a petrol version will necessarily ring fence against that risk
The plans are in place, its just a matter of time, thankfully i've just moved out of the banned area, but there will be a good few places I couldn't get without driving through it... I might have to do some maths, but having never owned a camper (with a car) before, I'm just quite sure what my mileage is likely to be ...
They may well try and ban older pre euro 6 cars …However they have not yet got a clean LGV/HGV with decent range…I think the big HGV‘s will go Hydrogen as can’t see a battery pulling 40t….Anyway us Nomads only drive camp site to coast and back…Steering clear of those high conurbations….let’s face it Diesel engines where never designed for town driving..
Cant burn Wood…Demonised Coal….
Yet the wind dropped last week..Not enough to turn the wind generators…What happened…Oh..let’s restart the Coal Power Station
So we import more coal.. Lots of Sea miles…but will not allow a new cleanish pit to restart ..Save on sea miles ..and not be dependent on Foreign states….Better stop it could be a very long story
Cant burn Wood…Demonised Coal….
Yet the wind dropped last week..Not enough to turn the wind generators…What happened…Oh..let’s restart the Coal Power Station
So we import more coal.. Lots of Sea miles…but will not allow a new cleanish pit to restart ..Save on sea miles ..and not be dependent on Foreign states….Better stop it could be a very long story
Been looking at this recently as we are inside the Greater Manchester zone. Seems Euro 6 is fine in all of the current zones. Can't see that changing for a decade, they are not going to legislate vehicles sold now out of existence.
Those currently fortunate Euro 5 140s with no Adblue hassle are going to find themselves more and more restricted though.
Those currently fortunate Euro 5 140s with no Adblue hassle are going to find themselves more and more restricted though.
Greater Manchester is all ten boroughs, the whole area. Includes Moors and valleys and all sorts of rural locations. If they can do that here, then there may be many other places nearby to Towns that will get caught up.
There's a useful independent site on LEZ's which lists the Councils that are required by law to come up with a plan. Makes for interesting reading, I'll post the link when I find it again.
It's all driven by our legislation. If levels are over a certain level the local authority has to come up with a plan.
Of course there are lots of different solutions, and few as extreme as GM's, but that's local democracy (!) for you!
Most regens won't be in the town as the vehicle like to do them when you are on faster runs.
Also, there was an adblue software update to address the regen period and use more adblue to cater for it.
Burning the carbon in the DPF requires additional fuel and the burning of the DPF deposits also creates CO2 but without any power delivery.
In the quest to run the combustion process cooler with less nitrous oxide production they reduce the combustion efficiency and create more soot.
Is there a net benefit, who knows? If the manufacturers really gave a FF about pollution they’d be making smaller, lighter cars with good fuel economy not giant SUVs.
In the quest to run the combustion process cooler with less nitrous oxide production they reduce the combustion efficiency and create more soot.
Is there a net benefit, who knows? If the manufacturers really gave a FF about pollution they’d be making smaller, lighter cars with good fuel economy not giant SUVs.
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