Power-Closing Sliding-Door Retrofit

mmi said:
@Deaky @Pauly perhaps you could try to see if pressing the extra button is reported in blockmaps.
The regular buttons are seen in 015-1
For my basic three button remote: Not oper/Lock/Unlock/HDF depending what button is pressed (HDF=tailgate, Heckdeckefernentriegelung=remote's 3rd button).
Just to confirm it triggers a different function.
Perhaps to monitor also neighbouring groups at same time just in case.
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Just to clarify - probably need to do when IGN OFF, no key in ign lock, drivers door open.
 
Two steps forwards one step back :(
Starting to think my BCM is just not compatible with this mod :cry:
I have relearned keys again and this time used the new slide door button to adapt new keyfob and it accepts the fob but the button still doesnt work
Looks like i may need to investigate software/parameters, i can flash the BCM to B or C if i need to but not sure about datasets (if they are even available ?)

Can i please get some details from peoples BCMs
I could do with HW/SW/Component details along with the dataset number which is in the advanced id button of module 09 BCM
I actually need a few with factory elec slider and a few without

not sure whos got factory electric doors and vcds ?
@Deaky
@Robert
@StudleyGlass
anyone else ??

eg mine is

Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 937 090 HW: 7E0 937 090
Component: BCM PQ25 Max4 H80 0736
Revision: B9080001 Serial number: 0771 190151858

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Assuming as per below
www.t6forum.com

Power-Closing Sliding-Door Retrofit

Yes, bought the key using the correct part number against my VIN so it came pre cut to my van
www.t6forum.com www.t6forum.com
that this is your current BCM coding
A0F479BA4A73349193288F747DEB9EFCC080730F60CD79F03204033F0820
There seems to be some inconsistency.

Byte 07 ---> (91)16 = (1001 0001 )2
Byte 26 ---> (03)16 = (0000 0011 )2

Byte 07 Bit 0 Central Locking/Rear: Sliding Door Left installed
Byte 07 Bit 1 Central Locking/Rear: Sliding Door Right installed
Byte 26 Bit 0 Rotary signal for sliding door on the left via CAN data bus
Byte 26 Bit 1 Rotary signal for sliding door on the right via CAN data bus

I would suggest to try this.
A0F479BA4A73349193288F747DEB9EFCC080730F60CD79F03204013F0820
 
Additionally flashing your BCM to higher revision is not going to change anything.
As I said earlier here all versions/revisions of BCM PQ25 Max4 are compatible with sliding doors.
Your CAN Gateway even has both address' on its INSTALLATION LIST ( 0D: Slide Door Left & 78: Slide Door Right).
Regarding Data Set for the BCM, there seems to be only two variants (with & without Fatigue Detection feature).
 
Pauly said:
i can flash the BCM to B or C if i need to but not sure about datasets (if they are even available ?)
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It seems that mine (BCM -C) doesn't have a dataset.
A plain panel van MY18.
Both left and right sliders. No electric sliders. Power latching from factory.
Code: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                Address 09: Cent. Elect.
Control Module Part Number: 7E0 937 090 C
  Component and/or Version: BCM PQ25 Max4 H82 0752
           Software Coding: A0A8393A0A61341393284F402DEB87F4C0947389604579C03304003F0860
            Work Shop Code: WSC 02762
                      VCID: 2B000D1DD30C4EBF16D-807E

Advanced Identification
     Serial number: 4000 049181011
     Identification: SME-RBG
     Revision: B9082001
     Date: 22.02.18
     Manufacturer number: 0006
     Test stand number: 0928
Flash Status
     Programming Attempts(application): 0
     Successful Attempts(application): 0
     Successful Attempts(data): 0
     Programming Status: 00000000
     Flash Date: 0000.00.00
     Flash Tool Code: 00000 000 00000
Software
     HiSpd Net: 01.01.00
Misc.
     Hardware number: 7E0 937 090 C
     Workshop System Name: J519
     Equipment/PR Code: 0000000000000000
     Dataset Number: -----------
     Dataset Version: ----
     End of Line Equipment Level: --------------------
VCDS Info:
       VCID: 2B000D1DD30C4EBF16D-807E
       Labels: 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




EDIT:
A panel van MY16 built NOV-2015 which got a BCM software revision update from 0733 to 0736 by VW (late 2016).
Both left and right sliders. No electric sliders. Power latching from factory.
Scanned in May-2017 by then current VCDS.
Code: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
VCDS Version: 17.4.2.3 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4336.4
Data version: 20170505 DS270.4
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                Address 09: Cent. Elect.
Control Module Part Number: 7E0 937 090
  Component and/or Version: BCM PQ25 Max4 H80 0736
           Software Coding: 62F8793A0A21209301284F602CEB87F4C0B47389604579603204003F0860
            Work Shop Code: WSC 32611
                      VCID: 688AB211027AA5A7EBC-803C

Advanced Identification
     Serial number: 0771 316150034
     Identification: SME-RBG
     Revision: B9080001
     Date: 23.11.15
     Manufacturer number: 0005
     Test stand number: 0213
Flash Status
     Programming Attempts(application): 1
     Successful Attempts(application): 1
     Successful Attempts(data): 4
     Programming Status: 00000000
     Flash Date: 2009.14.12
     Flash Tool Code: 1048576 002 32611
Software
     HiSpd Net: 01.01.00
Misc.
     Hardware number: 7E0 937 090
     Workshop System Name: J519
     Equipment/PR Code: 0000000000000000
     Dataset Number:
     Dataset Version:
     End of Line Equipment Level: --------------------
VCDS Info:
       VCID: 688AB211027AA5A7EBC-803C
       Labels: 7E0-937-BCM-V1.CLB
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
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Pauly said:
new keyfob and it accepts the fob but the button still doesnt work
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Does measurement block 015-1 or 015-3 report status change when you press the FOB button? @Robert ?
> No key in ignition lock, drivers door open, hook up the VCDS, connect to 09-BCM, Meas. Blocks... 015, 016, 017??
 
mmi said:
It seems that mine (BCM -C) doesn't have a dataset.
A plain panel van MY18.
Both left and right sliders. No electric sliders. Power latching from factory.
Code: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                Address 09: Cent. Elect.
Control Module Part Number: 7E0 937 090 C
  Component and/or Version: BCM PQ25 Max4 H82 0752
           Software Coding: A0A8393A0A61341393284F402DEB87F4C0947389604579C03304003F0860
            Work Shop Code: WSC 02762
                      VCID: 2B000D1DD30C4EBF16D-807E

Advanced Identification
     Serial number: 4000 049181011
     Identification: SME-RBG
     Revision: B9082001
     Date: 22.02.18
     Manufacturer number: 0006
     Test stand number: 0928
Flash Status
     Programming Attempts(application): 0
     Successful Attempts(application): 0
     Successful Attempts(data): 0
     Programming Status: 00000000
     Flash Date: 0000.00.00
     Flash Tool Code: 00000 000 00000
Software
     HiSpd Net: 01.01.00
Misc.
     Hardware number: 7E0 937 090 C
     Workshop System Name: J519
     Equipment/PR Code: 0000000000000000
     Dataset Number: -----------
     Dataset Version: ----
     End of Line Equipment Level: --------------------
VCDS Info:
       VCID: 2B000D1DD30C4EBF16D-807E
       Labels: 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




EDIT:
A panel van MY16 built NOV-2015 which got a BCM software revision update from 0733 to 0736 by VW (late 2016).
Both left and right sliders. No electric sliders. Power latching from factory.
Scanned in May-2017 by then current VCDS.
Code: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
VCDS Version: 17.4.2.3 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4336.4
Data version: 20170505 DS270.4
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                Address 09: Cent. Elect.
Control Module Part Number: 7E0 937 090
  Component and/or Version: BCM PQ25 Max4 H80 0736
           Software Coding: 62F8793A0A21209301284F602CEB87F4C0B47389604579603204003F0860
            Work Shop Code: WSC 32611
                      VCID: 688AB211027AA5A7EBC-803C

Advanced Identification
     Serial number: 0771 316150034
     Identification: SME-RBG
     Revision: B9080001
     Date: 23.11.15
     Manufacturer number: 0005
     Test stand number: 0213
Flash Status
     Programming Attempts(application): 1
     Successful Attempts(application): 1
     Successful Attempts(data): 4
     Programming Status: 00000000
     Flash Date: 2009.14.12
     Flash Tool Code: 1048576 002 32611
Software
     HiSpd Net: 01.01.00
Misc.
     Hardware number: 7E0 937 090
     Workshop System Name: J519
     Equipment/PR Code: 0000000000000000
     Dataset Number:
     Dataset Version:
     End of Line Equipment Level: --------------------
VCDS Info:
       VCID: 688AB211027AA5A7EBC-803C
       Labels: 7E0-937-BCM-V1.CLB
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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And what about FATIGUE DETECTION on these two?
 
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Robert said:
And what about FATIGUE DETECTION on these two?
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Both vans have it - you mean the "Take a coffee break" announcement - definitely, I have driven both of them 40.000 km so have seen the warning quite a few times.
Isn't the fatigue detection actually a function in the gateway portion of the box? With this selection? ;)
1612102139800.png
EDIT: Link to fatigue detection coding --> https://www.t6forum.com/threads/fatigue-detection.13149/post-217736
EDIT_2: Missed that in the coding-decoder... will be there in next release.
09(BCM)-byte_25_bit_2 + 19(Gateway)-byte_2_bit_2, a copy from ciclo's Polo. R-line 1.2 TSI 90hp 119gr. - Page 315 - UK-POLOS.NET - THE VW Polo Forum​
 
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Exactly, thanks.
BCM box (as we all know) includes actually 3 components: Central Electronics Control Module, Can Gateway & Battery Regulator.

EDIT:
There is no correlation with electric sliding doors but I wonder if @Pauly had that feature as a factory option?
 
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Robert said:
Assuming as per below
www.t6forum.com

Power-Closing Sliding-Door Retrofit

Yes, bought the key using the correct part number against my VIN so it came pre cut to my van
www.t6forum.com www.t6forum.com
that this is your current BCM coding
A0F479BA4A73349193288F747DEB9EFCC080730F60CD79F03204033F0820
There seems to be some inconsistency.

Byte 07 ---> (91)16 = (1001 0001 )2
Byte 26 ---> (03)16 = (0000 0011 )2

Byte 07 Bit 0 Central Locking/Rear: Sliding Door Left installed
Byte 07 Bit 1 Central Locking/Rear: Sliding Door Right installed
Byte 26 Bit 0 Rotary signal for sliding door on the left via CAN data bus
Byte 26 Bit 1 Rotary signal for sliding door on the right via CAN data bus

I would suggest to try this.
A0F479BA4A73349193288F747DEB9EFCC080730F60CD79F03204013F0820
Click to expand...
Thats exactly what my coding is, i have tried lots of variations including 03 twin sliders and 01 single slider
 
Robert said:
Additionally flashing your BCM to higher revision is not going to change anything.
As I said earlier here all versions/revisions of BCM PQ25 Max4 are compatible with sliding doors.
Your CAN Gateway even has both address on its INSTALLATION LIST ( 0D: Slide Door Left & 78: Slide Door Right).
Regarding Data Set for the BCM, there seems to be only two variants (with & without Fatigue Detection feature).
Click to expand...
I dotn intend to flash i just want to check dataset numbers for similarities and differences at least then it could potentially be confirmed/excluded
 
Robert said:
Exactly, thanks.
BCM box (as we all know) includes actually 3 components: Central Electronics Control Module, Can Gateway & Battery Regulator.

EDIT:
There is no correlation with electric sliding doors but I wonder if @Pauly had that feature as a factory option?
Click to expand...
yes my van tells me to take a break on long trips
 
TBH im running out of ideas
As far as i can tell the coding is 100% i have BCM codes from 4 vans with factory electric sliders and my coding matches all of them/all differences accounted for
Adaption channels seem similar and cant get any extra info from here ?

I took the van to get my IMMO programmed for mny extra key done and the guy (who im friendly with) is a VAG retrofitter, he had odis/vcds/vcp on it and chekced everything he could think of and wasnt sure why it doesnt work, one of the things we discussed was BCM revisions/software/datasets hence the above question as another thing to investigate/rule out ?

I think @Robert i may need to take you up on your offer of borrowing your original BCM for a bit of testing if i cant make anymore progress ?
 
mmi said:
Does measurement block 015-1 or 015-3 report status change when you press the FOB button? @Robert ?
> No key in ignition lock, drivers door open, hook up the VCDS, connect to 09-BCM, Meas. Blocks... 015, 016, 017??
Click to expand...
Please see my video below( as per @mmi instructions).
There is no point for dash buttons verification as @Pauly says they function correctly.
 
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mmi said:
It seems that mine (BCM -C) doesn't have a dataset.
A plain panel van MY18.
Both left and right sliders. No electric sliders. Power latching from factory.
Code: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                Address 09: Cent. Elect.
Control Module Part Number: 7E0 937 090 C
  Component and/or Version: BCM PQ25 Max4 H82 0752
           Software Coding: A0A8393A0A61341393284F402DEB87F4C0947389604579C03304003F0860
            Work Shop Code: WSC 02762
                      VCID: 2B000D1DD30C4EBF16D-807E

Advanced Identification
     Serial number: 4000 049181011
     Identification: SME-RBG
     Revision: B9082001
     Date: 22.02.18
     Manufacturer number: 0006
     Test stand number: 0928
Flash Status
     Programming Attempts(application): 0
     Successful Attempts(application): 0
     Successful Attempts(data): 0
     Programming Status: 00000000
     Flash Date: 0000.00.00
     Flash Tool Code: 00000 000 00000
Software
     HiSpd Net: 01.01.00
Misc.
     Hardware number: 7E0 937 090 C
     Workshop System Name: J519
     Equipment/PR Code: 0000000000000000
     Dataset Number: -----------
     Dataset Version: ----
     End of Line Equipment Level: --------------------
VCDS Info:
       VCID: 2B000D1DD30C4EBF16D-807E
       Labels: 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




EDIT:
A panel van MY16 built NOV-2015 which got a BCM software revision update from 0733 to 0736 by VW (late 2016).
Both left and right sliders. No electric sliders. Power latching from factory.
Scanned in May-2017 by then current VCDS.
Code: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
VCDS Version: 17.4.2.3 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4336.4
Data version: 20170505 DS270.4
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                Address 09: Cent. Elect.
Control Module Part Number: 7E0 937 090
  Component and/or Version: BCM PQ25 Max4 H80 0736
           Software Coding: 62F8793A0A21209301284F602CEB87F4C0B47389604579603204003F0860
            Work Shop Code: WSC 32611
                      VCID: 688AB211027AA5A7EBC-803C

Advanced Identification
     Serial number: 0771 316150034
     Identification: SME-RBG
     Revision: B9080001
     Date: 23.11.15
     Manufacturer number: 0005
     Test stand number: 0213
Flash Status
     Programming Attempts(application): 1
     Successful Attempts(application): 1
     Successful Attempts(data): 4
     Programming Status: 00000000
     Flash Date: 2009.14.12
     Flash Tool Code: 1048576 002 32611
Software
     HiSpd Net: 01.01.00
Misc.
     Hardware number: 7E0 937 090
     Workshop System Name: J519
     Equipment/PR Code: 0000000000000000
     Dataset Number:
     Dataset Version:
     End of Line Equipment Level: --------------------
VCDS Info:
       VCID: 688AB211027AA5A7EBC-803C
       Labels: 7E0-937-BCM-V1.CLB
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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And below is my current (onboard) BCM(second hand from unknown T6 most likely LHD ;)).
EDIT: FATIGUE DETECTION was already included.

Code: 
Sunday,31,January,2021,16:35:24:50413
VCDS Version: Release 20.12.0 (x64)
                Address 09: Cent. Elect.
Control Module Part Number: 7E0 937 090 B
  Component and/or Version: BCM PQ25 Max4 H81 0744
           Software Coding: B8DA7DBF48E3348393288FC4FE8B9EF490A473F160CD79D0330403BF0840
            Work Shop Code: WSC 02737
                      VCID: 2A0CFB4F0CF3678B0D6-807E

Advanced Identification
     Serial number: 0982 154161731
     Identification: SME-RBG
     Revision: B9081001
     Date: 08.08.16
     Manufacturer number: 0005
     Test stand number: 1688
Flash Status
     Programming Attempts(application): 0
     Successful Attempts(application): 0
     Successful Attempts(data): 0
     Programming Status: 00000000
     Flash Date: 0000.00.00
     Flash Tool Code: 00000 000 00000
Software
     HiSpd Net: 01.01.00
Misc.
     Hardware number: 7E0 937 090
     Workshop System Name: J519
     Equipment/PR Code: 0000000000000000
     Dataset Number: -----------
     Dataset Version: ----
     End of Line Equipment Level: --------------------
VCDS Info:
       VCID: 2A0CFB4F0CF3678B0D6-807E
       Labels: 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
 
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