Thanks for all the insight. I don’t have VCDS so it falls to @c_paul to do some digging here. I’ll see if I can get hold of it anyway, and put some thought into the whole thing. The wireless one is news to me, although as you say doesn’t seem a likely culprit to issues when the door is open, if it only comes into play when it’s shut.
T5.1 Power sliding door button flashing?
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Not had much time to mess about with things. Interestingly when I was opening and closing the door (using the interior handle) from fully open to half shut or thereabouts, maybe 10-20 times (just to see if it could get it to fail - typically it was behaving itself), a couple of occasions the latching motor turned, so the door must have ended up in a confused state as to its position and thought it was closed.
Really need to get hold of vcds so I can see what that turns up. The light has been on more often than not when commuting recently.
Really need to get hold of vcds so I can see what that turns up. The light has been on more often than not when commuting recently.
Okay, I have an update for everyone. Mine has got much worse so I now have a chance to experiment with it not working!
The other day, it was complaining on the dashboard multifunction display that the door was open when it was not. Since then the door was totally dead. Nothing. Indicator on door switch is just flashing orange.
When I got home this afternoon, the mfd thought the door is closed. Door wouldn't even trigger the cabin light.
I connected VCDS. Logs below.
I had a dig around and unbolted the door control module. It was bine dry. No obvious water ingress. I removed and reseated each plug.
Now the power close works, power slide opening works but it will not close. Which would suggest pinch sensor. FTR, the dealer replaced the pinch sensor. MFD now recognises open and close. Interior light works correctly.
I am tempted to just replace the door controller module but they are very expensive.
Questions:
Does the door have multiple ways to tell the body control module if it is open? If so what are they? It appears that the cabin light control and the MFD sensor / method for determining the door is open are different. Do these all go through the door control module?
How can I get a wiring diagram for the sliding door system? I have no idea which plug is which. Knowing how the modules are interconnected will help massively!
Log when door totally dead:
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 937 090 B HW: 7E0 937 090
Component: BCM PQ25 Max4 H81 0744
Revision: B9081001 Serial number: 0982 162161261
Coding: A1FE793A0A61341393288F446CEB8EF40D84698960CC6960320403BF0840
Shop #: WSC 02737 534 620686
VCID: 2A0D0EC77CFE2C8B956-807E
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K7 955 559 C Labels: 5K7-955-559.CLB
Component: RLS 310516 04 42 0106
Coding: 0228EE
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 801 P HW: 7E0 959 801 P Labels: 7E0-959-80X-V2.CLB
Component: J386__TSG_FT 003 0653
Serial number: KU0KU006061661585342
Coding: 1400B0
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 802 P HW: 7E0 959 802 P
Component: J387__TSG_BT 003 0653
Serial number: KU0KU004061661561765
Coding: 0400A0
Subsystem 4 - Part No: 7E1 951 171
Component: DWA-Sensor 00 001 0104
Coding: 000000
Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
Component: LIN BACKUP HO H05 1501
Coding: 000000
Subsystem 6 - Part No: 7E1 951 171
Component: DWA-Sensor 00 001 0104
Coding: 000000
Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 442 HW: 7E0 959 442 Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
Component: E221__MFL-DC1 H02 0103
Serial number: 29160001088400066216
Coding: B0FFFF
1 Fault Found:
03303 - Response Closing Status of Rear Left Door
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 149
Reset counter: 237
Mileage: 77063 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2016.11.18
Time: 18:01:05
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Address 0D: Slide Door, Left Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No: 7E0 959 243 D
Component: Schiebetuer-SG 407 0328
Shop #: WSC 02737 790 00000
VCID: 30391CAF5622565B5B2-8064
2 Faults Found:
02356 - Data Transfer to Sliding Door
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
02366 - Pinch Protection
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
The other day, it was complaining on the dashboard multifunction display that the door was open when it was not. Since then the door was totally dead. Nothing. Indicator on door switch is just flashing orange.
When I got home this afternoon, the mfd thought the door is closed. Door wouldn't even trigger the cabin light.
I connected VCDS. Logs below.
I had a dig around and unbolted the door control module. It was bine dry. No obvious water ingress. I removed and reseated each plug.
Now the power close works, power slide opening works but it will not close. Which would suggest pinch sensor. FTR, the dealer replaced the pinch sensor. MFD now recognises open and close. Interior light works correctly.
I am tempted to just replace the door controller module but they are very expensive.
Questions:
Does the door have multiple ways to tell the body control module if it is open? If so what are they? It appears that the cabin light control and the MFD sensor / method for determining the door is open are different. Do these all go through the door control module?
How can I get a wiring diagram for the sliding door system? I have no idea which plug is which. Knowing how the modules are interconnected will help massively!
Log when door totally dead:
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
Part No SW: 7E0 937 090 B HW: 7E0 937 090
Component: BCM PQ25 Max4 H81 0744
Revision: B9081001 Serial number: 0982 162161261
Coding: A1FE793A0A61341393288F446CEB8EF40D84698960CC6960320403BF0840
Shop #: WSC 02737 534 620686
VCID: 2A0D0EC77CFE2C8B956-807E
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K7 955 559 C Labels: 5K7-955-559.CLB
Component: RLS 310516 04 42 0106
Coding: 0228EE
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 801 P HW: 7E0 959 801 P Labels: 7E0-959-80X-V2.CLB
Component: J386__TSG_FT 003 0653
Serial number: KU0KU006061661585342
Coding: 1400B0
Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 802 P HW: 7E0 959 802 P
Component: J387__TSG_BT 003 0653
Serial number: KU0KU004061661561765
Coding: 0400A0
Subsystem 4 - Part No: 7E1 951 171
Component: DWA-Sensor 00 001 0104
Coding: 000000
Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
Component: LIN BACKUP HO H05 1501
Coding: 000000
Subsystem 6 - Part No: 7E1 951 171
Component: DWA-Sensor 00 001 0104
Coding: 000000
Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 442 HW: 7E0 959 442 Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
Component: E221__MFL-DC1 H02 0103
Serial number: 29160001088400066216
Coding: B0FFFF
1 Fault Found:
03303 - Response Closing Status of Rear Left Door
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 149
Reset counter: 237
Mileage: 77063 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2016.11.18
Time: 18:01:05
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Address 0D: Slide Door, Left Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No: 7E0 959 243 D
Component: Schiebetuer-SG 407 0328
Shop #: WSC 02737 790 00000
VCID: 30391CAF5622565B5B2-8064
2 Faults Found:
02356 - Data Transfer to Sliding Door
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
02366 - Pinch Protection
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
Unlike the title of the thread, yours seems to be T6 MY17, thus
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With VCDS you could start by checking door contact switches + locking statuses of the doors.
No key in the ignition lock (thus ignition off) - drivers door open (to keep BCM alive)
VCDS > Select > 09-Central electrics > Advanced measuring values > Groups 5 & 7.
Please post also BCM blockmap data (measuring values) - as above no key in the ignition lock - drivers door open.
Preferably a few blockmaps about different conditions - e.g. door working ok, door dead, etc.
VCDS > Applications > Controller Channel Map
Click "Go" - when finished there will be file blockmap-09-... and in folder C:\Ross-Tech\VCDS\Logs\....
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With VCDS you could start by checking door contact switches + locking statuses of the doors.
No key in the ignition lock (thus ignition off) - drivers door open (to keep BCM alive)
VCDS > Select > 09-Central electrics > Advanced measuring values > Groups 5 & 7.
Please post also BCM blockmap data (measuring values) - as above no key in the ignition lock - drivers door open.
Preferably a few blockmaps about different conditions - e.g. door working ok, door dead, etc.
VCDS > Applications > Controller Channel Map
Click "Go" - when finished there will be file blockmap-09-... and in folder C:\Ross-Tech\VCDS\Logs\....
Thanks Robert. I have just seen your post. Bang on, yes it is a t6. I am just hijacking the OPs thread because I have the same issue.
I have done loads of diags today.
From what I can tell there are about 3 different failure modes going on but I only managed to reproduce 2 of them. After 15 minutes of fiddling, all the faults tend to clear and I am unable to reproduce any errors.
Fault condition: door totally dead. VCDS bcm reported locking status of the door as SAFE. I.e deadlocked. ??!! I only had this for a short time then it cleared. I could manually open and close the door in this state.
Fault condition: dashboard light flashing. Door will open using power slide but will not close. I can close manually and soft close pulls the back of the door in. When closed dashboard light flashes. Pressing button opens the door. VCDS reports door lock status correctly but Pinch sensor value as open circuit. Some times opening door heavily returns pinch sensor to normal ‘not operational’. Knocking the sensor correctly changes the value from not activated to activated. When it is reading open circuit, pressing on sensor does nothing. If this value goes open when door is closing the door immediately stops. When value is open circuit, dashboard light flashes. When it goes normal, dashboard light goes out unless door is open in which case light goes solid. At the moment the door spends about 50% of the time broken like this in between normal operation. holding the button on the dash will manually close the close but will not trigger the soft close to pull the back of the door in so not much help.
Unable to reproduce fault condition: door opens but interior light doesn’t activate.
Separately VCDS is reporting a module communication error. I haven’t been able to tie down when this is happening / the symptoms.
So far as I can tell there is either a wiring fault (damaged cables / poor connection), a power supply issue causing the module to misbehave, damaged / faulty control module, damaged pinch sensor / damaged wiring to pinch sensor, or a combination of more than one of the above.
The fact there is more than one issue and this pinch sensor has been replaced already suggests wiring damage or module fault.
I will look at the diagrams tomorrow and do more testing.
I have done loads of diags today.
From what I can tell there are about 3 different failure modes going on but I only managed to reproduce 2 of them. After 15 minutes of fiddling, all the faults tend to clear and I am unable to reproduce any errors.
Fault condition: door totally dead. VCDS bcm reported locking status of the door as SAFE. I.e deadlocked. ??!! I only had this for a short time then it cleared. I could manually open and close the door in this state.
Fault condition: dashboard light flashing. Door will open using power slide but will not close. I can close manually and soft close pulls the back of the door in. When closed dashboard light flashes. Pressing button opens the door. VCDS reports door lock status correctly but Pinch sensor value as open circuit. Some times opening door heavily returns pinch sensor to normal ‘not operational’. Knocking the sensor correctly changes the value from not activated to activated. When it is reading open circuit, pressing on sensor does nothing. If this value goes open when door is closing the door immediately stops. When value is open circuit, dashboard light flashes. When it goes normal, dashboard light goes out unless door is open in which case light goes solid. At the moment the door spends about 50% of the time broken like this in between normal operation. holding the button on the dash will manually close the close but will not trigger the soft close to pull the back of the door in so not much help.
Unable to reproduce fault condition: door opens but interior light doesn’t activate.
Separately VCDS is reporting a module communication error. I haven’t been able to tie down when this is happening / the symptoms.
So far as I can tell there is either a wiring fault (damaged cables / poor connection), a power supply issue causing the module to misbehave, damaged / faulty control module, damaged pinch sensor / damaged wiring to pinch sensor, or a combination of more than one of the above.
The fact there is more than one issue and this pinch sensor has been replaced already suggests wiring damage or module fault.
I will look at the diagrams tomorrow and do more testing.
Yes. VCDS has measuring blocks for door open position scale (0 to 813 on mine), three door open sensors, anti trap sensor, door locked, child lock, handle pulled and I am sure others that I haven’t been able to work out what they translate to yet.
Hi,
Did you resolve the issue with your powered door if so what was the issue as I have a similar issue.
Thanks
Phil
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