maybe I'll have to hold back from modifying the 150 incase I can change it for a petrol in 2 years or thereabouts
I'd be wondering what the petrol consumption was like can't seeing it being that good with a van
That would really depend on your right foot. But given that a 204bhp loaded T6 probably averages 29mpg, against a published 42mpg; plus the cost of add blue effectively ads 3p to a litre of Gas Oil, which is already ++++p more than Petrol; factor in an Ad-blue valve; DPF; EGR which will cost you ++++£,000 out of warrantee, when they go wrong; I would take my chances, and enjoy every minute of it
We need a hybrid. I read a review on a Volvo XC90 T8 (400bhp+; 2lire petrol + Battery Motors plug in); real world economy it averaged more mpg than their 2.0l diesel. The really cleaver thing about some of these SUV hybrids is that the real wheels have electric motors, and the front wheels are conventional saves lots of weight. Ohhhhhh a T7 with 400+bhp on demand for sudden bursts; YES YES PleaseThat would really depend on your right foot. But given that a 204bhp loaded T6 probably averages 29mpg, against a published 42mpg; plus the cost of add blue effectively ads 3p to a litre of Gas Oil, which is already ++++p more than Petrol; factor in an Ad-blue valve; DPF; EGR which will cost you ++++£,000 out of warrantee, when they go wrong; I would take my chances, and enjoy every minute of it
Child Murderer.........(And I'm not a Green)Me, I think I'll stick with being obnoxious and keep a dirty diesel.. Suits my personality
Child Murderer.........(And I'm not a Green)
I think you will have to try a bit harder than that to beat how obnoxious I can be
I think you will have to try a bit harder than that to beat how obnoxious I can be
Child Murderer.........(And I'm not a Green)
How's about.. Pot calling kettle black, what are you driving at the moment? A petrol? Oh yeah.. A diesel
call that an own goal?
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To one and all. You have to blame successive administrations, which includes the Civil Servants and 'Advisors', for the years of persuasion that diesels are more economical and environmentally friendly. For them now to change horses in midstream and expect us to replace serviceable diesel engined vehicles is naive and hypocritical. It is more about political posturing ALTHOUGH I agree that there are many diesel engined vehicles that are not well maintained and are polluting at levels higher than they were designed to achieve, but that can be managed by emissions testing and prohibition. Diesel engined vehicle drivers should not, and must not, be demonized and made to pay for overnight policy changes by the country's administration.
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There is a huge difference between demonising existing diesel owners (we have 3 vehicles, and all are diesels); and damaging the residual values of those vehicles which were bought, with bonafide good intent, across all of Europe. And sticking your head in the sand, by stating they are still a good idea. I really hope that existing diesels are given a fair run out; but honestly the game is up
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@chriscroft I agree that change is necessary, but there is nothing in my post that is contradictory. My post is about fairness and not blaming the drivers and owners of diesel engined vehicles. I am old enough to recall that one persuasive argument was that the cost of refining diesel was significantly cheaper than petrol, not that one would know from pump prices over recent years. How long, I wonder, before oil-fired heating is banned from government, public, commercial and domestic premises as that uses essentially the same fuel 
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The problem is the amount of diesel vehicles on the road, before they were pushed and refined, they were more economical, and you had to want one to own one.. They can be cleaned up.. It's just the new idea, much like the push to diesel.. Few years on and the new stuff will have a flaw that means it's banned..
We are dealing with lots of things all hitting us at once. From a climate change (CO2&Methane) mostly, actually both Rechargeable & Fuel Cell technologies are worst than Oil derivatives, and Petrol is worst than Diesel. Diesel is actually better than a Toyota Prius / BMW i3, because so little electricity is generated from a renewable source at this moment, and 50% is lost in transmission etc etc. Most people do not know this, but it is true; drive a Diesel, save a Polar Bear, and 2 billion people from flooding, lack of drinking water, food etc etc etc.@chriscroft I agree that change is necessary, but there is nothing in my post that is contradictory. My post is about fairness and not blaming the drivers and owners of diesel engined vehicles. I am old enough to recall that one persuasive argument was that the cost of refining diesel was significantly cheaper than petrol, not that one would know from pump prices over recent years. How long, I wonder, before oil-fired heating is banned from government, public, commercial and domestic premises as that uses essentially the same fuel
The Diesel problem of air pollution is small beer, there is a massive argument of how many people are actually effected by Air pollution, because the the figures which are banned about are probably over estimating the real problem, and are based on poor science from decades ago. So yes with poor scientific facts, Diesels are being Demonised.
Unfortunately the Diesel engines, whilst emitting less air pollution with Euro 6, are becoming less and less fuel efficient; and more and more complicated; and more expensive to buy; run and maintain with risky residual values.
Not saying it is correct, but a massive emerging & prevailing sentiment that is killing the Diesel off, weather we like it or not. And Boy have VW done their bit to make the problem worst........
new evidence has emerged or rather understanding, of the part played by volcanic eruptions on global warming as well, due to the sulphur being pushed up into the higher atmosphere and being converted into a greenhouse gas. They have also linked the 10plagues to an eruption, and managed to date it through a branch buried in the volcanic rim.. This has also apparently given a date for Moses..... I kid you not!
Good Stuff, I saw the same speech made a Mr D Trump
Climate Change is very very real unfortunately; and whilst living 30 miles inland; I do live near to a big big river and only 3m above sea level
. I wonder if you can get an amphibeous T6 conversion
It doesn't matter CO2 levels =(f) Average Temperature Levels; Co2 levels have gone through the roof, and nobody disagrees. => Average Temps are and will go through the roof. There is not a scientist who has been pier group reviewed who disagrees. Not One.
There are lots of Docs and newspaper articles that argue otherwise, just to sell a story. But this is hard cold fact, shame but there you are; and it does not look good. Ah well, I'll have another glass of wine.
I'm not arguing that particular point, but reference was made to a 1990 eruption being viewed from space, and the subsequent surprised findings by the scientists recently ref its sulphur effects and the warming effects.. This led to an explanation to another question, and has led to further understandings..
What this shows is that the governments and scientists don't understand everything.. They foist on us.. Hence the push to switch everyone to diesel, and now lo and behold, that was apparently the worst thing to do ever.. And apparently the inability to clean the emissions up, which is illogical.
I suggest you watch the particular program, rather than dismissing it out of hand as something to just sell a story, lpg was seen as a solution as well, but that died a death, it's emmision is water, but then that might have solved the summer water shortages, or led to flooding!
If your that concerned.. Get a petrol, or better still get on yer bike! 3 diesels... Hmm
What this shows is that the governments and scientists don't understand everything.. They foist on us.. Hence the push to switch everyone to diesel, and now lo and behold, that was apparently the worst thing to do ever.. And apparently the inability to clean the emissions up, which is illogical.
I suggest you watch the particular program, rather than dismissing it out of hand as something to just sell a story, lpg was seen as a solution as well, but that died a death, it's emmision is water, but then that might have solved the summer water shortages, or led to flooding!
If your that concerned.. Get a petrol, or better still get on yer bike! 3 diesels... Hmm
Every Vehicle I have doesn't (didn't) have a petrol alternative, and in fact still don't. I think you have completely missed every other point I was trying to make. Petrols are better for air quality, but slightly worst fro Climate change, than diesels fact.
Fuel cells have a water emission at the point of use, but still require electricity to create the pure hydrogen; LPG is just another hydrocarbon like petrol and diesel.
The big decision is which is more dangerous, Air Quality or Climate Change????? or Both
Don't take my word for the decline of Diesel just look at the sales figures, and the move in R&D away from Diesel, it is massive, especially for smaller vehicles.
Want to save the planet, well just drive less miles. In the future when we have sorted Cold Nuclear Fusion or similar and electricity is totally green, then away we go Fuel Cells/Batteries will be super-green; but not so at this moment
Glad we have two petrols.
I'll put up with the diseasel for now...
I'll put up with the diseasel for now...
