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2030- no petrol or diesel- What would you buy now?
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As @Ali-G says, it won't happen in our lifetimes. Whist technology will improve, and solid state batteries will replace Li-Ion, boosting density and charge rates, the practicalities and cost of vehicles and infrastructure will be prohibitive.
I'm on a new data centre build. Luckily not doing the civils, as the firm that is has to use a certain percentage of EV plant for the smaller jobs, digging for ducts etc.. The machines run about 3 hours before needing a recharge; courtesy of a diesel generator. The work is then done by the full size machines in half the time...
As per @BognorMotors thread on the eTrans, you'd only buy one for virtue signalling, not to do 150 miles a day in earning a crust.
I'm on a new data centre build. Luckily not doing the civils, as the firm that is has to use a certain percentage of EV plant for the smaller jobs, digging for ducts etc.. The machines run about 3 hours before needing a recharge; courtesy of a diesel generator. The work is then done by the full size machines in half the time...
As per @BognorMotors thread on the eTrans, you'd only buy one for virtue signalling, not to do 150 miles a day in earning a crust.
I think VWs half hearted attempt on this van, is just holding back for the T7. They have 9 years to get it right. But first all our infrastructure need to be improved!
I still won’t own one - I’ll be that grump (older) man refusing to give up on petrol
I still won’t own one - I’ll be that grump (older) man refusing to give up on petrol
I popped into Telford services yesterday. There were 3 Teslas parked up and plugged in. There drivers sat in them nursing a cup of coffee and pretending to look busy. I went and got a big old Burger King, back to the van and scoffed that. The Tesla trio were still there when I started the van to drive off. As I did, the fuel light came on. Bugger paying £1.35 here I thought, I'll nip into Sainsburys in Shrewsbury as it's cheaper and I can pay at the pumps. Anyway, I drove straight past Sainsburys having completely forgotten that I needed fuel. Not to worry, I'll leave home 5 minutes earlier this morning and fill up en-route to todays job.
This is what this announcement is all about IMO, to appease the ecomentalist’s, “look what we’re going to do“
But as we get closer to the deadline they’ll just keep moving the date back over and over again.
To be fair we've all made a promise at home to keep our significant other happy!!!
Just that when we do it it doesn't impact on the whole country!
In remoter areas or rural electricity can go off at the drop of a hat. Sometimes it goes back on again after a few minutes or an hour or so. At other times it can be off all day or even days at a time some time even a week. How are people expected to manage in those situations come the dreaded last day of diesel/petrol. Particularly farmers who may have a small fleet of vehicles, tractors, telescopic handlers, pickups, quad or farm bikes. Also in remote areas it is not uncommon for properties to be off grid completely. I very nearly bought one. My property only received electricity in the late 1960s and a phone a little latte time. The costs of running cables and pylons for either facility today would be astronomical for an ordinary person to even consider, if even possible in sone situations. Yes, they often have some way of generating power from water mill, wind or solar but these usually are just to provide a basic function and many of them rely on diesel generators, that are either automatically tripped or manual. Some of them do have complex generating facilities with large battery banks and automatic switch on facility and more than one source of generating electric power. Some of these people will need to spend large sums of money to replace an ageing diesel generator. None of the above would hardly even top up an electric car, never mind charge one from flat and never in a month of Sundays a small fleet of vehicles even for just a small family.
As it is, I run on coal or wood fired multi fuel stoves for heating. Most of the farms around here use some form of oil. What is going to happen then to us. The last PM wanted all multi fuel stoves and ovens banned and everyone to convert to electricity use. Not that gas is an option around anywhere my home. It is OK in a village, town or city but what about the rest of us. So if forced to go electric and use storage heaters, well they only store heat for as short period of time. What then, are we supposed to go and shag a sheep to keep warm for c sake.
As it is, under the present situation only essential goods are supposed to be sold because of Covid19. In the winter I can be reduced to candles for hours as explained above but in a really hard winter just when one needs electricity it can go off for days. In Wales some shops and supermarkets where even banning sales of sanitary products
When it was just country places using multi fuel or coal stoves or ovens prices and availability was not so bad. Now however because every yuppy in the city has one, prices went up and many forms of suitable fuel can dry up completely particularly pellet fuels. There is lots of illegal logging now. Deciduous woodlands are being illegally felled just to satisfy the city slackers lust for something a bit quaint.
As it is, I run on coal or wood fired multi fuel stoves for heating. Most of the farms around here use some form of oil. What is going to happen then to us. The last PM wanted all multi fuel stoves and ovens banned and everyone to convert to electricity use. Not that gas is an option around anywhere my home. It is OK in a village, town or city but what about the rest of us. So if forced to go electric and use storage heaters, well they only store heat for as short period of time. What then, are we supposed to go and shag a sheep to keep warm for c sake.
As it is, under the present situation only essential goods are supposed to be sold because of Covid19. In the winter I can be reduced to candles for hours as explained above but in a really hard winter just when one needs electricity it can go off for days. In Wales some shops and supermarkets where even banning sales of sanitary products
When it was just country places using multi fuel or coal stoves or ovens prices and availability was not so bad. Now however because every yuppy in the city has one, prices went up and many forms of suitable fuel can dry up completely particularly pellet fuels. There is lots of illegal logging now. Deciduous woodlands are being illegally felled just to satisfy the city slackers lust for something a bit quaint.
I absolutely agree with you. This is nothing short of a poorly thought out idea, totally unnecessary, and should be abandoned. I’m sick of all the things that are being banned and all enjoyment in life is being inexorably eroded.In remoter areas or rural electricity can go off at the drop of a hat. Sometimes it goes back on again after a few minutes or an hour or so. At other times it can be off all day or even days at a time some time even a week. How are people expected to manage in those situations come the dreaded last day of diesel/petrol. Particularly farmers who may have a small fleet of vehicles, tractors, telescopic handlers, pickups, quad or farm bikes. Also in remote areas it is not uncommon for properties to be off grid completely. I very nearly bought one. My property only received electricity in the late 1960s and a phone a little latte time. The costs of running cables and pylons for either facility today would be astronomical for an ordinary person to even consider, if even possible in sone situations. Yes, they often have some way of generating power from water mill, wind or solar but these usually are just to provide a basic function and many of them rely on diesel generators, that are either automatically tripped or manual. Some of them do have complex generating facilities with large battery banks and automatic switch on facility and more than one source of generating electric power. Some of these people will need to spend large sums of money to replace an ageing diesel generator. None of the above would hardly even top up an electric car, never mind charge one from flat and never in a month of Sundays a small fleet of vehicles even for just a small family.
As it is, I run on coal or wood fired multi fuel stoves for heating. Most of the farms around here use some form of oil. What is going to happen then to us. The last PM wanted all multi fuel stoves and ovens banned and everyone to convert to electricity use. Not that gas is an option around anywhere my home. It is OK in a village, town or city but what about the rest of us. So if forced to go electric and use storage heaters, well they only store heat for as short period of time. What then, are we supposed to go and shag a sheep to keep warm for c sake.
As it is, under the present situation only essential goods are supposed to be sold because of Covid19. In the winter I can be reduced to candles for hours as explained above but in a really hard winter just when one needs electricity it can go off for days. In Wales some shops and supermarkets where even banning sales of sanitary products
When it was just country places using multi fuel or coal stoves or ovens prices and availability was not so bad. Now however because every yuppy in the city has one, prices went up and many forms of suitable fuel can dry up completely particularly pellet fuels. There is lots of illegal logging now. Deciduous woodlands are being illegally felled just to satisfy the city slackers lust for something a bit quaint.
I am happy to make an effort to give things up for the good. However, I would like government to make a far more considered plans and to outline of what they hope to achieve. I would like to be able to join in on, an on going conversation or have someone to pass ideas to. Ether that or just have gown ups in governments that had stopped nee jerk reactions. If there was better consultation perhaps we might end up with something better that actually works and achieves something positive. Not half baked and grandiose Star War plans.
The puritan way of life will be upon us. Well for some of us unless named Dominic or Boris.
It's just politics - it means nothing in the short to medium term and I for one am not the slightest bit worried about it and wouldn't influence any of my buying decisions for at least the next 5 years based on it. Governments put this sort of stuff out all the time to a) look like they are doing something and b) to test the public reaction to it.
Lets face it, when has any government in this country planned something that is 2 years away and then delivered it on time to the original plan? Never, let alone something that is 10 years away. It will get debated, probably watered down and then most likely differed.
Lets face it, when has any government in this country planned something that is 2 years away and then delivered it on time to the original plan? Never, let alone something that is 10 years away. It will get debated, probably watered down and then most likely differed.
Don't forget Jacob the famous Walter The Softy lookalike. That said, I think this thread is now starting on the inevitable downward slope to politics which, I think, is against forum rules.
If the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles are banned 2030 Will that be a sharp cut off date midnight last day of the year 2029 allowing a purchase at the very last minute. I remember the T6 was still on the site for ordering way after and I ordered a vehicle or tried to order a vehicle at that time. I was not told or corresponded with and I was in contact with several dealers none of which told me until weeks later when one said its the 6.1 now. We can find a cancelled order if you still want a 6.0
If the cutoff of 2030 looks like being a reality as it draws nearer (and I agree it’s unlikely, the people currently in charge won’t be the ones making the decisions then), it won’t be a case of being able to buy an ICE vehicle before midnight on the deadline, the manufacturers will have ceased production long before that point.
Yep you are probably right andys.
Why? It's not a worldwide deadline is it? I thought it was just a UK decision.
I think it might well be a race. Politicians will always want to look competitive and able to win a race.
nah, all to do with the 2015 Paris Accord, so pretty much worldwide.
- the US are back in now the Orange Buffoon is no longer in charge.
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Its the £36 billion black hole I want more information on - that's the rough revenue that the motorist pays in the UK for fuel duty
So buy EV to save money - but then get charged per the mile making any saving a big fat ZERO
What needs to happen NOW is outlawing thirsty cars - like the fleets of chelsea tractors clogging up the roads on the school runs
So buy EV to save money - but then get charged per the mile making any saving a big fat ZERO
What needs to happen NOW is outlawing thirsty cars - like the fleets of chelsea tractors clogging up the roads on the school runs
I think my T6 fits the thirsty bill quite well
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