2030- no petrol or diesel- What would you buy now?
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So does mine - but ALL my miles are essential
What limit on engine size or emissions would you allow? What about the Dads that drop off and pick up children in their work van? Should he buy a separate vehicle and make more journeys? Should we follow up that ban with a ban on motorsport and any non essential journeys?
Many of my journeys are not essential, life is for living!!!
What limit on engine size or emissions would you allow? What about the Dads that drop off and pick up children in their work van? Should he buy a separate vehicle and make more journeys? Should we follow up that ban with a ban on motorsport and any non essential journeys?
Many of my journeys are not essential, life is for living!!!
no, little 'Johnny' should walk to school or get on the electric /alternative fuel bus...
then Dad would make less journey's.
the bottom line is the way the human race is living atm (and I generalise) is unsustainable. therefore if we carry on we, as a species, will die out...
I think the first proper lockdown showed most of us that there was a better way, and that we could do without many of the things that we had for the sake of it. Nature got a bit of a look in, but it seems that slowly, things are reverting back to the old ways.
I do a fair bit of cycling, and during April, May etc, the roads were as quiet as could be. It was a pleasure to ride, even on main roads. Now, it's as busy as it ever was before.
No manufacturers will cut it that fine, given that it seems hybrids will be given a bit longer to live I'd expect that in 5yrs time any new ICE vehicle to be brought out will be a hybrid. The 2030 deadline will be causing big decisions in car company boardrooms right now that will probably mean pure ICE vehicles will be discontinued years before the deadline.
Agreed, what I find staggering is the thought that the global population has doubled in my lifetime. Now that is truly unsustainable!!!
That should say 'people are reverting back to type'.
I'm a cyclist too and know exactly what you mean. When the first lockdown kicked off earlier this year, I went across a bridge over the M5 at about 0930 hrs and was amazed to see just a couple of lorries and 4 cars in view heading South but now it's back to its usual jam packed self!
Well said.
Do not worry ones ardour cools eventually.
Back on its feet and healthy and...
In the first lockdown most of my employees were really worried that they had to be furloughed. What did the future hold? How could they survive on only 80% of their salary?
This time around, half of them are gutted that we carried on trading as they found they greatly enjoyed doing nothing and still getting 80% and were looking forward to another 4 weeks off. Several of them would actually like to live like that forever. To be honest, being a year or so off retirememt, I'd kill for 80% of my salary for the rest of my life - but someone has to pay for this.
I agree, my wife employs people who said exactly the same, but I'd rather not saddle future generations with this national debt. There is no free lunch. When the money for the NHS and other services is cut, not just to repay it but to pay the interest on it, people might just realise that there's no such thing as government money, it's just tax that we have yet to pay.
There is more than one truth here. I think that for many people, once they had recovered from the initial shock and worry, that they revaluated what life was all about. They discovered possibly for the first time that home relationships, family and all that comes with it are so important. If they can still bring a wage in, perhaps a little more than survive was what they wanted. Fathers were suddenly part of every day family life and the same for many mothers too. If the economy can be managed from home surely there are far too many benefits not only for the family but for society as a whole.
As far as paying for it is concerned, we have a massive defence budget that is going to be expanded. Society is very unequal. the wealth at the top is staggering. There is plenty to go around. The disparity between those with and those with out has grown to very distorted proportions.
Noble thoughts but the people I'm talking about are "milennials" with no family commitments and just can't be arsed to work for anything. The prospect of getting 80% instead of the dole while being able to watch Netflix and get fatter has their eyes lighting up. And the economy was managed (just about) from home because it was a very short period. I agree that in the long, long (and possibly long), term the world has to change, but we haven't just stumbled on some magic fairyland where everyone can work from home and enjoy vastly more family time while "the government" foots the bill.
Why concentrate just on small fry the few who would take advantage of any system rather than the many and the overall benefits. There are many rich people who abuse society and sponge off it. Not paying taxes, tax abuse, hiding money in out of the way places. Companies avoiding tax or not paying very much They are the real spongers on our society. In this country we are allays blaming the people at the bottom of society because it is too easy to do so. The reason why the heal service is struggling is because it has been absolutely devastated and has been plundered over the last 12 years. Privatisation is destroying this country, health social services, prisons are all in private hands and doing badly and causing irreparable long term harm. The NHS is only a front now for private wealth. The Americans are standing by to plunder it. We have one of the worst health services in Europe yet we are one of the richest countries. Departments were on there last before COVID 19 with staff shortages and lack of investments, poor moral. The same could be said for the police service, roads and infrastructure, railways. The list goes on. We need a better society that is more inclusive, one that everyone can benefit from and it will not come easily or quikly or with kneejerk reactions. It need a lot of thought, conversation and cooperation and time. From who ever is in power, left or right or we will end up like some Latin American state. Germany is not a left leaning state yet it does far better, has better working conditions health and so on.
And on that topic I got really annoyed the other day when teachers and their unions were kicking up a fuss that there would be a pay freeze. Most of them sat at home fully paid for about 6 months. How must make the rest of the population feel, especially many in the private sector that have lost jobs.
And for the record, I am a teacher although the school I was working at remained open as it wasn't mainstream. Now Im having a 'career break' and get no help (furlough) or expect it.
I don't think I argued against any of this, I steer clear of politics on forums. I was just stating my real life experiences snd saying that when this is all over, we need to knuckle down and get the country back on its feet before we look for the next direction. You may be right about rich people, but I don't come across them very often, however as someone who has employed people for over 35 years, this is the first generation I've come across where such a large proportion have the attitude that everything should just be handed to them on a plate without hard work. In 2022 it won't be my problem any more.
but why can't we 'knuckle down and get the country back on it's feet' by going in a new, more sustainable way. there's plenty of jobs to be had in green energy and a greener economy. we can solve more than one problem at once...
as for who pay's for the pandemic, don't get me started...
and this isn't aimed at you @andys
the amount of corporations (and individuals of said corporations) that don't pay their way is sickening.
Jeff Bezos personal wealth increased $81 billion during the first part of the pandemic (that's 'personal' wealth not Amazon profits btw)
it absolutely baffles me why so many people are ready to say 'we'll be paying for this for generations' when organisations like the Daily mail have never paid corporation tax
anyway, dangling very close to the political precipice so i'm off to eat me tea
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