- 204ps Bi-Turbo CXEB T6 Engine & Turbo problems -

[Sasquatch]

Most aftermarket warranties (or more correctly, mechanical breakdown insurance policies) are underwritten in the UK by one of four companies, and all are FCA regulated.

It's not unheard of for them to send an assessor out to "check the work" for claims on such a policy, but it's unusual and most definitely not the norm, so there is unlikely to be a significant delay on that front.

 

[6.1dom]

Most aftermarket warranties (or more correctly, mechanical breakdown insurance policies) are underwritten in the UK by one of four companies, and all are FCA regulated.

It's not unheard of for them to send an assessor out to "check the work" for claims on such a policy, but it's unusual and most definitely not the norm, so there is unlikely to be a significant delay on that front

Have you worked in a garage before as a technician? Or for franchise.

 

[Nogsbad]

other 204ps members unaffected: AKA THE LUCKY LIST

this could be due to the 2019 revisions? - (possibly the 2016-2019 range as there is a mention that the CXEB Block/Pistons etc was revised in 2019)

@Bigsidavies 2017 CXEB 204 - (135k miles so far) (EGR delete, + EGR Delete Map @ xxx miles)
@VanDamMan
@BoroBoy
@catfood12 - 2017 CXEB, 50K miles. Oil changes every 8-10k. Revo remap. Lots of mechanical sympathy, gentle warm up and turbo cool down
@True Romance - 2017 CXEB. Just about to hit 30k miles. Oil change every year. Consumption very low. Only do about 5k per year but nearly all long runs.
@


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2017 Caravelle 4-motion (family car use) CXEB, serviced annually (covers 7-10k miles a year mixed short and long journeys but mainly short), oil flushed with Forte, castrol premium oil used, currently on 70k miles, EGR mapped out and blanked @ 58k miles (preventative maintenance reasons), engine remapped at the same time. Also tow a large caravan (engine heavily loaded for long durations a few times a year). Engine breathes heavy (running with oil cap off), loss of power compared to when it was new but not hugely significant, currently uses about ~1L oil between services.

 

[Heydave]

List of members effected.

@Tourershine - New Bi-turbo, DPF,

@RunDSG 2017 - New Bi-turbo, DPF,

@Dellmassive 2018 - awaiting results

@robbidoo - New Bi-turbo,

@Andnik - - New Bi-turbo,

@Malcs - - New Bi-turbo,

@MikeyBeeT6 - New Bi-turbo,?

@Sparkyis - New Bi-turbo,, DPF, CAT, Lamda sensor,

@WinFreak - New Bi-turbo, DPF, CAT, Lamda sensor,

@deleted member - - New Long Block Engine, DPF, CAT, Lamda sensor,

@Steve8n9 - New Long Block Engine, DPF, CAT, Lamda sensor,

@driftingaway - New Long Block Engine, DPF, CAT, Lamda sensor,

@boxbark - New Long Block Engine,

@WolvesVW 2017 - New Long Block Engine, DPF, CAT, Lamda sensor, ( + DMF ) ( Turbo recond)

@vww - ?

@lexhorton 2017 - Turbo?

@Jonp40210 - new turbo?

@bp_porcaro - 2016 204 DSG diagnosed with low compression (17 bar) and oil use about 1 ltr every 1700 miles. Not fixed yet

@UVW_T6 - 2017 - new turbo, EGR blanked, DPF removed, mapped to delete DPF, EGR, AdBlue and Stage 1 boost.

@t6stormer - new BI Turbo but still in limp mode ongoing issues

@Deansie - high oil use - snapped shaft on small turbo. possible blocked DPF/CAT.



if you have been a victim, drop a mention here and ill add you to the list:

Currently investigating oil loss and paid for oil consumption test CXEB engine 204 Sportline registered February 2018 . Also lumpy start and occasional stall after engine is hot.

 

[Dellmassive]

Another patient joining the high oil use "club"
MY18 204hp CXEB
135000km
Oil weighing done by VW. Outcome is 0,7 liter/1000km.
Now anxiously awaiting kulance claim response from VW.

any word yet?

 

[Dellmassive]

UPDATE:

The day has finaly come. . . . .

from 13th Aug 2024 - to 22 November 2024

14 weeks or 3 and a bit months.

Its Back !!!!!!!

all fixed and shiney. (2018 CXEB 80k miles)

with a brand new CXEB Long Block engine + CAT + DPF + Lamda sensor, - via "All-In" warranty

plus the warranty swap DMF. - via 24mnth Parts warranty

Plus a Brand new Turbo - at my cost.

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@Dellmassive`s T6 T32 Sportline 204 LWB DSG PV MY18 - Van Adventure

Looking at the logs when it come back to life..... Looks like a day to remove the engine. A day to swap over parts and build the engine on the bench. A day or two to replace the engine and other parts. Then test drive and bits. .

www.t6forum.com

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[Heydave]

Another patient joining the high oil use "club"
MY18 204hp CXEB
135000km
Oil weighing done by VW. Outcome is 0,7 liter/1000km.
Now anxiously awaiting kulance claim response from VW.

I’m currently having the oil consumption test
Have you had a favourable outcome?

 

[Heydave]

any word yet?

No as I’m only 320 miles into it but level already dropped on dipstick , its back into the dealer on the 9th of December. I’m pretty confident it will fail the 0.5 litre drop test, it’s all a bit of a worry.

 

[Repete]

I’m currently having the oil consumption test
Have you had a favourable outcome?

You can follow my progress here:

- 204ps Bi-Turbo CXEB T6 Engine & Turbo problems -

Manual says 1ltr to 2000km (1200miles is normal!) Wow does it. So actually I might be OK. Compared to a car that is still shocking, but I can handle that. Thanks for pointing that out. Might have a look for that now, haha.

www.t6forum.com

and here:

- 204ps Bi-Turbo CXEB T6 Engine & Turbo problems -

Mine is three years and a few days old and has done only 3000 miles, all confirmed.

www.t6forum.com

As seen I negotiated the labor discount up to 50% besides the VAG 80% discount on parts.

According to the legal counseling I took this is a pretty decent deal.
So I have agreed, and the work will be done mid January.

If further questions let me know.

 

[Repete]

No as I’m only 320 miles into it but level already dropped on dipstick , its back into the dealer on the 9th of December. I’m pretty confident it will fail the 0.5 litre drop test, it’s all a bit of a worry.

I’m currently having the oil consumption test
Have you had a favourable outcome?

What I found was that long drives made the issue crystal clear.
So after the initiated weighing I took a few long drives and that did it.

 

[RS6plusMTM]

List of members effected.

@Tourershine - New Bi-turbo, DPF,

@RunDSG 2017 - New Bi-turbo, DPF,

@Dellmassive 2018 -- New Long Block Engine, DPF, CAT, Lamda sensor, + ( New Turbo, not needed but fitted anyway)

@robbidoo - New Bi-turbo,

@Andnik - - New Bi-turbo,

@Malcs - - New Bi-turbo,

@MikeyBeeT6 - New Bi-turbo,?

@Sparkyis - New Bi-turbo,, DPF, CAT, Lamda sensor,

@WinFreak - New Bi-turbo, DPF, CAT, Lamda sensor,

@deleted member - - New Long Block Engine, DPF, CAT, Lamda sensor,

@Steve8n9 - New Long Block Engine, DPF, CAT, Lamda sensor,

@driftingaway - New Long Block Engine, DPF, CAT, Lamda sensor,

@boxbark - New Long Block Engine,

@WolvesVW 2017 - New Long Block Engine, DPF, CAT, Lamda sensor, ( + DMF ) ( Turbo recond)

@vww - ?

@lexhorton 2017 - Turbo?

@Jonp40210 - new turbo?

@bp_porcaro - 2016 204 DSG diagnosed with low compression (17 bar) and oil use about 1 ltr every 1700 miles. Not fixed yet

@UVW_T6 - 2017 - new turbo, EGR blanked, DPF removed, mapped to delete DPF, EGR, AdBlue and Stage 1 boost.

@t6stormer - new BI Turbo but still in limp mode ongoing issues

@Deansie - high oil use - snapped shaft on small turbo. possible blocked DPF/CAT.

@Repete - MY18 204hp CXEB, 135000km, Oil weighing done by VW. Outcome is 0,7 liter/1000km.Now anxiously awaiting kulance claim response from VW.

@albiro - 62,000 miles (100,000km), and the oil consumption is measuring at 0.6 litres per 1000km, above VW's threshold of 0.5 litres per 1000km.

@Heydave - 0.4l per 1000km

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if you have been a victim, drop a mention here and ill add you to the list:

Add mine to the list @Dellmassive .
2017 CXEB 65k - small turbo seized solid - replacement turbo and had DPF professional cleaned as a precaution, even though it had no signs of excessive soot. Compression test perfect and no signs of any high oil usage.
Pretty sure it related to poor oil heat management of the CXEB as for me it failed after a 500+ mile, all day drive in the 40 degree French heatwave during this summer and it seized leaving it to cool over night. A month for the AA to repatriate the van back to the UK and then a further 3 months waiting for the turbo to come into stock from being on back order so only just got it back this week.

 

[gavbarlow]

@Dellmassive add mine to the list too. 2017 CXEB, 102k miles.

This discussion has been very useful and has helped me to diagnose some issues with my 2017 204. It's just done 102k miles, and has been religiously serviced by VW since new. It's used daily as the work van and regularly does mixed journeys and have experienced not issues with it at all in that time. Just recently its started displaying an engine light which registered as a glow plug 2 fault and EGR flow fault. When re-setting the light, the EGR code wouldn't always come back, but figured I needed to look into it further. Over the festive break I took the opportunity to replace all four glow plugs and whipped out the EGR valve and associated pipework. The pipes had been replaced under warranty around 4 years ago as one had split causing a blowing exhaust noise, so I was hoping they would be in good order - I was wrong! The front pipe from the EGR to the inlet was nearly clogged with an oily carbon buildup that resembles toothpaste. I've now got a new EGR valve and associated fittings ready to go back on, and the bill for genuine spares alone is around £800.

Having read this feed (and all the others on the topic of turbos) I've taken the decision to remove the DPF and bi-turbo while the EGR was out as it's slowly started to use more and more oil. The inlet pipes to the turbo had oil inside all of the them, the exhaust manifold was full of oily/carbon deposits, and the gasket was saturated in oil. The lower spindle has some considerable play and the top spindle feels sticky and not free spinning as it should be. A rebuilt turbo, fitting kit and a DPF clean at Darkside developments will set me back a further £1500.

Yes, the job is as bad as it looks/sounds - the VAG repair instructions give you a good steer but it's not quite as straight forward to do having never done one before. I'm an experienced mechanic and restore historic vehicles for a living so I know my way around an engine bay. Even so, I found this one of the worst jobs I've done in years given the limited access and poor visibility.

Happy new year to me!

 

[Dellmassive]

im selling my OEM removed good 204 CXEB BiTurbo if anyone wants it.

80k miles from new, full VW service history. - my issues was block so turbo is good.

 

[Manu]

Hi. My T6 (2017 204 biTDI, DSG, 4m, 60k miles) started to consume more oil than it used to. Until now I only had to add 0.5 to 1l of oil between services.... On the last long trip (around 2k miles of European motorways), it went through something like 3 litres in 2k miles!. Also got the 1000km/650 miles Adblue warning popping up despite adblue tank being full (3 times...). The warning would clear on its own after a few miles but gave a 31103 code SCR/NOX error. I started researching and found this concerning threat. To my surprise (and maybe relief??), the engine is CXE and not CXEB... Does anyone know if the CXE suffers from the same issues as CXEB and CFCA engines?? The van was on an extended warranty until early December, just before the issue started. Classic.... It will be visiting the vw van center in a couple of weeks. Does anyone know if CXE is somehow different to CXEB, or is it just the same %$£t different name? Should I start budgeting for a new "everything" under the bonnet... ???

 

[Dellmassive]

Hi. My T6 (2017 204 biTDI, DSG, 4m, 60k miles) started to consume more oil than it used to. Until now I only had to add 0.5 to 1l of oil between services.... On the last long trip (around 2k miles of European motorways), it went through something like 3 litres in 2k miles!. Also got the 1000km/650 miles Adblue warning popping up despite adblue tank being full (3 times...). The warning would clear on its own after a few miles but gave a 31103 code SCR/NOX error. I started researching and found this concerning threat. To my surprise (and maybe relief??), the engine is CXE and not CXEB... Does anyone know if the CXE suffers from the same issues as CXEB and CFCA engines?? The van was on an extended warranty until early December, just before the issue started. Classic.... It will be visiting the vw van center in a couple of weeks. Does anyone know if CXE is somehow different to CXEB, or is it just the same %$£t different name? Should I start budgeting for a new "everything" under the bonnet... ???

The engine code has four characters. Ne


Your engine will be a cxec or cxeb.

Check the sticker under the steering wheel dashboard or check your paperwork or build sheet for the exact engine code.

Fyi as above the first three digits denote the engine model and the fourth digit denotes the power.

The cxeb is 204 PS and the cxec is 199 PS.

The early cxeb engines have four issues that was resolved after 2019.

The cxec model was introduced in 2019 and doesn't as far as we know have engine where issues.

 

[Manu]

The engine code has four characters. Ne


Your engine will be a cxec or cxeb.

Check the sticker under the steering wheel dashboard or check your paperwork or build sheet for the exact engine code.

Fyi as above the first three digits denote the engine model and the fourth digit denotes the power.

The cxeb is 204 PS and the cxec is 199 PS.

The early cxeb engines have four issues that was resolved after 2019.

The cxec model was introduced in 2019 and doesn't as far as we know have engine where issues.

Thanks, Dellmassive. You are correct. The sticker by the motor says CXE, but just checked under the steering wheel and it is a CXEB... I suppose I will be joining the list. I have read about a couple of places that seem highly recommended garages (Retro Resus and Darkside developments). Does anyone know of reputable garages closer to Dorset/Hampshire? Would you recommend against or in favour of getting this done in an official vw garage? Thanks!

 

[Dellmassive]

Thanks, Dellmassive. You are correct. The sticker by the motor says CXE, but just checked under the steering wheel and it is a CXEB... I suppose I will be joining the list. I have read about a couple of places that seem highly recommended garages (Retro Resus and Darkside developments). Does anyone know of reputable garages closer to Dorset/Hampshire? Would you recommend against or in favour of getting this done in an official vw garage? Thanks!

I had mine done via VW all-in warranty.

It was a £20k job.... They fitted a NEW CXEB engine.

If you go back street garage you may end up getting another early cxeb block?

Some people replace the cxeb with a cxec...

That's assuming it's the block and you have an early cxeb engine.

Your issue may be the turbo leaking oil..

So you need a proper diagnostic.

If it was me I would pay VW for the diagnostic.... To see if you have low cylinder compression, ie block issue.

Or if the compression is good you most likely have a turbo issue.

Darksside offer a reman turbo or EOM.

And for the Block it's a new OEM engine ordered from VW and they will fit it.

First thing to do is get it compression tested.

 

[Manu]

I had mine done via VW all-in warranty.

It was a £20k job.... They fitted a NEW CXEB engine.

If you go back street garage you may end up getting another early cxeb block?

Some people replace the cxeb with a cxec...

That's assuming it's the block and you have an early cxeb engine.

Your issue may be the turbo leaking oil..

So you need a proper diagnostic.

If it was me I would pay VW for the diagnostic.... To see if you have low cylinder compression, ie block issue.

Or if the compression is good you most likely have a turbo issue.

Darksside offer a reman turbo or EOM.

And for the Block it's a new OEM engine ordered from VW and they will fit it.

First thing to do is get it compression tested.

Already booked. Lets see what they find. Really appreciate the input. I love my van and cannot live without one. It is my only vehicle and spend weeks on it. Family visits, ski, fishing... startign to prepare an excel to see what is best if it needs a new engine. Sell and buy a new one + convert it (would not sell without warning buyer or doing the work....) or fix it and hope the new engine lasts longer...

 

[Dellmassive]

Already booked. Lets see what they find. Really appreciate the input. I love my van and cannot live without one. It is my only vehicle and spend weeks on it. Family visits, ski, fishing... startign to prepare an excel to see what is best if it needs a new engine. Sell and buy a new one + convert it (would not sell without warning buyer or doing the work....) or fix it and hope the new engine lasts longer...

When you take it into VW , take a copy of the TPI above .

Tell them you know about the engine wear issue with the cxeb engine.

They will start with an oil test, Same as they done with me.

Have you got your own logs?. As to when and how much oil you topped up with?.... That will help.

Then if it fails the oil test they need to do a compression test.... To see if it's the block or turbo.

Low compression on block is new engine, dpf,cat, sensor.

Good compression will likely mean further investigation on the turbo.... Most likely turbo,dpf,cat,sensor.


Keep us posted with what happens.

 

[Manu]

When you take it into VW , take a copy of the TPI above .

Tell them you know about the engine wear issue with the cxeb engine.

They will start with an oil test, Same as they done with me.

Have you got your own logs?. As to when and how much oil you topped up with?.... That will help.

Then if it fails the oil test they need to do a compression test.... To see if it's the block or turbo.

Low compression on block is new engine, dpf,cat, sensor.

Good compression will likely mean further investigation on the turbo.... Most likely turbo,dpf,cat,sensor.


Keep us posted with what happens.

Sorry for being thick. Where do I find the TPI? Thanks