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Are EVs the way forward?
- Thread starter The Flying Scotsman
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I wonder what the ICE exit plan (if there is one) post 2030 will be.
Will the Govt gradually increase RFL for ICE vehicles and/or offer a scrappage scheme (oh happy days)......
Will the Govt gradually increase RFL for ICE vehicles and/or offer a scrappage scheme (oh happy days)......
RFL increases; fuel duty increases; more ULEZ zones; more stringent ULEZ zones; more traffic-free zones; more fuel stations repurposed as EV charging stations; mandatory 15 minute cities...
You will comply.
I reckon £335 per year road tax for a 2 litre diesel van will be the point where any potential ICE enthusiast will say "enough is enough, I''m going to get a bike!"
Obviously not an electric bike though as that would be playing straight into the hands of the Illuminati.
Obviously not an electric bike though as that would be playing straight into the hands of the Illuminati.
The cost would run into many £Billions, all to be paid by the tax payer. Be careful what you wish for!
Synthetic fuels will increase which could run on current vehicles.. bmw and Porsche already looking into alternatives to ev? EV doesn’t have a future.. no range, poor in the cold, poor in the warm, heavy, too large a carbon footprint, zero infrastructure to recharge, older they get the less the batteries hold charge, ridiculous expense to change.. any accidents in an ev insurance don’t want to touch due to any damage to the batteries… not sure ULEZ has a future as the amount of cameras being cut down regularly due to no consultation of them going up in the first place.. just another tax on the public
This whole thread/debate is informed by political ideologies.
It looks like there may be ana end in sight. If BP scrap the green scam then others will probably follow. Then they nobble the MPs and before you you know it, EV will be pushed back.
BP to slash renewables investment and ramp up gas and oil production.
The energy giant will announce its strategy later after rivals also rowed back on green energy plans.
www.bbc.co.uk
Not surprising seeing who is currently in the White House and that the vast majority of BP shares are in American hands. They're doing nothing more than pandering to their potentially biggest champion of the moment.
What the article fails to mention is that the ramping up of oil and gas extraction will not be in British territory due to the now legally binding "one in, one out" policy for the getting of new licences. That being the case the effect on the British car market will likely be zero.
What the article fails to mention is that the ramping up of oil and gas extraction will not be in British territory due to the now legally binding "one in, one out" policy for the getting of new licences. That being the case the effect on the British car market will likely be zero.
Our insurance renewal on our iD3 EV has dropped over £120 this year to £288, whereas the insurance on our T6 and Fiat 500 Hybrid have both increased. It sounds like it is beginning to level out with insurance.
I'll be honest, whether fuel is synthetic or made from tar/old socks the main point is that what comes out of the exhaust is poisonous to us.
Proven by many successful suicides and that's with a car ticking over gently, maybe listening to the radio, with the Aircon or heater running, in fact pretty much what people do as they sit in traffic everyday.
The EV otoh just sits in the same traffic doing nearly the exact same thing but noiselessly if the radio isn't on and most importantly no exhaust gas to poison us or the planet.
I see ICE power going the same way as the two stroke engine in cars and motorbikes where the majority agreed that it was too dirty mainly because you could actually see the poisonous exhaust gas with the oil lubricant acting as a litmus paper.
Proven by many successful suicides and that's with a car ticking over gently, maybe listening to the radio, with the Aircon or heater running, in fact pretty much what people do as they sit in traffic everyday.
The EV otoh just sits in the same traffic doing nearly the exact same thing but noiselessly if the radio isn't on and most importantly no exhaust gas to poison us or the planet.
I see ICE power going the same way as the two stroke engine in cars and motorbikes where the majority agreed that it was too dirty mainly because you could actually see the poisonous exhaust gas with the oil lubricant acting as a litmus paper.
I paid around £360 for my i3s last year and am expecting a reduction in April when renewel comes......
This is what Millibund is timelining....
Interesting that heat pumps never reach 100%. Hope for us oil burners !
Interesting that heat pumps never reach 100%. Hope for us oil burners !
Pushback could be so different if normal daytime electricity kWh prices were remotely similar to the gas kWh price.
Off peak tariffs are there as are domestic battery storage and FIT plans but then we're off into the realms of trying to explain AI or the BBC iplayer to my elderly parents and the start of pushback.
Off peak tariffs are there as are domestic battery storage and FIT plans but then we're off into the realms of trying to explain AI or the BBC iplayer to my elderly parents and the start of pushback.
There'll be little in the way of pushback. Come 2030 any push back will be have to be done from the bus, and as we well know people would sell their granny for the right to drive 400 yards to the shop rather than get a bus. When it comes to the cruch they won't care what is under the bonnet if it is the alternative to public transport.
As aforementioned in the thread, the average lifespan of the average lifespan of an ICE car in the UK is such that, with some exceptions, they'll be largely extinct for practical purposes by 2040.
Something could change that. World War, natural disaster, worldwide economic crash of extreme proportions. That aside, it's inexorably coming and all the denial in the world won't change it.
Indeed, for all the haughty talk by some on this thread, they'll all be driving electric cars when that time comes. None of them will put their money where their mouth is and buy a bus pass or, perish the thought, actually walk somewhere in preference to a driving an electric car.
Talk is cheap, but electricity at 7.9p kWh is cheaper.
As aforementioned in the thread, the average lifespan of the average lifespan of an ICE car in the UK is such that, with some exceptions, they'll be largely extinct for practical purposes by 2040.
Something could change that. World War, natural disaster, worldwide economic crash of extreme proportions. That aside, it's inexorably coming and all the denial in the world won't change it.
Indeed, for all the haughty talk by some on this thread, they'll all be driving electric cars when that time comes. None of them will put their money where their mouth is and buy a bus pass or, perish the thought, actually walk somewhere in preference to a driving an electric car.
Talk is cheap, but electricity at 7.9p kWh is cheaper.
Ahem, some of us have got our buss pass (free) already but struggling to get that Cupra Born or Megane e Tech past the long haired General.
I just got back from a lovely 4 mile walk, as I do every day. Later I've got a little brickwork job to do in a village 3 miles away and I shall take the T6, my little cement mixer wheels sometimes get stuck in the potholes otherwise. I'd love to go on the bus but I'm 3 miles from a bus stop and I guess the bus driver would want to charge me extra for the mixer anyway.
I’m fortunate in loving public transport and trains in particular, so always chose it if it is in any way practicable. Just so long as the majority are happy to sit and curse their traffic I’ll have room to enjoy the ride, usually. Mostly Electric too without the need for batteries.
