Are EVs the way forward?

I never said you mentioned the US.
But you limiting your point to the UK and a volcano needed context. You don’t like the context because it proves what most people are already admitting- that humans are producing a problem.

You can try and limit discussion to the UK (and open it to China when it suits). You can try and limit it to volcanos. You can narrow it down to the environment and ignore health. You can conflate global greenhouse gasses and local air quality (and you can even try annd convince yourself you aren’t burying your head in the sand) I’m not your mum, do what you want.

I still think seeing as though humans are creating the problem and have awareness of that, and some ideas to combat said problem, we should try. There isn’t an easy answer. There isn’t a single problem or a single solution. But blaming others won’t solve anything.
Yup totally missing the point
The hypocrisy is funny.
We all drive 3 tonne diesel vans FFS :slow rofl:
 
From today's Daily Telegraph (subscription only);

"The European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association (ACEA) said that sales for new battery-powered electric vehicles (EV) in the bloc’s largest economy plunged by nearly 70pc in August, which drove a wider 18pc decline for new car sales across the EU.

In France, the EU’s second-largest market for battery electric vehicles behind Germany, sales fell by 33pc.

The ACEA said “the spectacular drop” in Germany and France meant that only 92,627 battery electric vehicles were registered across Europe last month, a fall of 43.9pc from 165,204 a year earlier.

The EV sales crisis has prompted the ACEA to call for “urgent action” against the new EU rules.

It warned that the “continual downward trajectory” of the European electric car market leaves manufacturers at risk of multibillion-euro fines."
 
No interest whatsoever here, to me they are completely soulless, just white goods like a washing machine or a dishwasher.
I'm at the age where thankfully I should be able to ride out the inevitable "net zero" deadline push backs and carry on driving a proper car until I hang up my steering wheel.
On a separate note, have you noticed how bloody ugly all these EV's are, I wouldn't look twice at most of them even if they had petrol/diesel engines.
 
No interest whatsoever here, to me they are completely soulless, just white goods like a washing machine or a dishwasher.
I'm at the age where thankfully I should be able to ride out the inevitable "net zero" deadline push backs and carry on driving a proper car until I hang up my steering wheel.
On a separate note, have you noticed how bloody ugly all these EV's are, I wouldn't look twice at most of them even if they had petrol/diesel engines.
EV's ...no smog but plenty of smug... ;)
 
Driving less and emitting less is the answer - and there are many ways of doing that.

In my case probably the most significant thing is that now working fully remote for most of the year the 2-3 hours of travelling per day is gone.
I've worked from home for the past 30 years. When I started, my annual mileage was between 25-30k. Now, due to CAD, email, zoom etc. I'm down to less than 10k.

Some people say that I shouldn't be doing that in a 12 year old 3.0 litre diesel, but if I wasn't driving it, someone else would be, and probably maintaining it poorly, if at all. So I'm keeping a vehicle that is already here, running as it was originally intended, rather than using up the resources required to build me an electric car that I don't need.
 
Regarding the Telegraph it's the Barclay brothers right wing voice of keep things exactly the way they are and let the world burn.
We've already established that we're not going to run out of oil anytime soon and that if our Transporters didn't destroy their engines before lunchtime then we could drive them until we broke too.
EVs are a real alternative to burning oil to commute and have got to be a better way of getting the crap we can't live without delivered to our home.
 
For our use case (family of five with driveway), having a T6 and an EV is just the perfect combination. The T6 handles any load-lugging, towing, camping and long-distance adventures whilst the EV covers everything else (and for us that's probably 80% of the actual mileage) whilst being amazing to drive, zero fuss and having running costs which are a fraction of the T6.

My experience with our EV has been hugely positive and I fully expect to own an EV in some form for as long as I have need of a car. Conversely, I'm not sure how long I'll have need of an ICE vehicle for, that very much depends on how EV technology evolves and how quickly they develop to cover the use cases that currently ICE is required for.

As many people have pointed out, EV's clearly don't cover all use cases yet. It's very noticeable that the strongest negative opinions about EVs are from people who've never actually tried one in any meaningful capacity however.
 
Driving less and emitting less is the answer - and there are many ways of doing that.

In my case probably the most significant thing is that now working fully remote for most of the year the 2-3 hours of travelling per day is gone.
I fall into this bracket. Since covid I have gone from minimum 2hrs travelling to working from home full time. Added bonus, now get to have a nice 3.2 V6 sat on the drive for weekend fun :think smile bounce:
 
Stay Frosty ......Nearly...10.15 pm here ...just contemplating having a hot shower to warm up before going to bed.....waiting for the global warming to hit here....been waiting 50 years so far...can't be far off now. ;)
 
It's very noticeable that the strongest negative opinions about EVs are from people who've never actually tried one in any meaningful capacity however.
Perhaps, for those people, an EV doesn't suit their use case (hence they've "never actually tried one") and they're getting increasingly pissed off at the prospect of being forced down the EV route by regulators and manufacturers, whilst simultaneously being told they shouldn't voice an opinion because they've "never actually tried one". Just a thought.
 
Got to side with the "can't have an opinion if you've not tried one" logic as nobody is going to take your car away from you or force you to drive an EV.
Now if you want to moan about the state of modern smog strangled diesels and legislation that causes this to happen, you can still buy cigarettes or drink yourself to an early grave so calm down and carry on driving exactly whatever you do now and maybe don't have a view on something you're not participating in? :whistle:
Just saying
 
Perhaps, for those people, an EV doesn't suit their use case (hence they've "never actually tried one") and they're getting increasingly pissed off at the prospect of being forced down the EV route by regulators and manufacturers, whilst simultaneously being told they shouldn't voice an opinion because they've "never actually tried one". Just a thought.

An EV would suit my wife perfectly. She does between 20 and 30 miles a day popping from job to job. We have a driveway, so could charge at home, but her petrol Polo does the job perfectly well. There's no reason to spend lots of money changing it to save a few quid on fuel.
 
Got to side with the "can't have an opinion if you've not tried one" logic as nobody is going to take your car away from you or force you to drive an EV.
Now if you want to moan about the state of modern smog strangled diesels and legislation that causes this to happen, you can still buy cigarettes or drink yourself to an early grave so calm down and carry on driving exactly whatever you do now and maybe don't have a view on something you're not participating in? :whistle:
Just saying
Fortunately, you don't get to decide who has an opinion on this subject and who is allowed to voice said opinion. Anyone who wants the option to buy a new ICE vehicle post 2030 is impacted by this EV-only idiotic nonsense,.
 
Fortunately, you don't get to decide who has an opinion on this subject and who is allowed to voice said opinion. Anyone who wants the option to buy a new ICE vehicle post 2030 is impacted by this EV-only idiotic nonsense,.

Given it's currently 2024, technology evolves over time and the legislation itself can change with the stroke of a pen, it's not very high on my list of things to get upset about. I'm just going to enjoy my best-of-both T6/EV combo and as the world changes I'll adapt, just as in many other regards.
 
An EV would suit my wife perfectly. She does between 20 and 30 miles a day popping from job to job. We have a driveway, so could charge at home, but her petrol Polo does the job perfectly well. There's no reason to spend lots of money changing it to save a few quid on fuel.

Agree, I wouldn't get rid of a perfectly good car just to get your hands on an EV. In our case the stars aligned as our old car terminally failed its MOT, plus our local mileage went up a lot because of house/school changes so replacing it with an EV was an easy decision.
 
Given it's currently 2024, technology evolves over time and the legislation itself can change with the stroke of a pen, it's not very high on my list of things to get upset about. I'm just going to enjoy my best-of-both T6/EV combo and as the world changes I'll adapt, just as in many other regards.
Manufacturers are already facing punitive fines if they fail to meet ever-increasing EV/ICE sales ratios and they've made their design/ development/ build plans accordingly, so it's already too late, even if the legislature have an epiphany and perform an immediate vault-face.
 
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