Are EVs the way forward?

There been a couple of different scientists who have designed power stations that sit on top of volcanoes
3 of these stations positioned on top of volcanoes around the world is enough to power the whole world for free indefinitely.
Providing the whole world with free electricity is the only way we can stop countries polluting the environment.
But there’s no money to be made in that. So that’s not happening.
Also there’s been 2 other different people who have invented engines that run on water. Any water pond water dirty water they ran on any water at all.
But of course there’s no money to be made in that and oil would be worthless so that was swept under the carpet also and the guys who invented these engines disappeared.
Greed will always prevent this world’s progress.
Engines that run just on water? Plenty of crackpots claim to have done this, and they are either just plain fraud, or they have some electrolysis or hydride reaction going on to generate hydrogen.

Power plants on volcanoes are more realistic, in that they don’t break the laws of physics. So much so that they already exist, like the 60MW geothermal power station in Krafla, Iceland.
 
Engines that run just on water? Plenty of crackpots claim to have done this, and they are either just plain fraud, or they have some electrolysis or hydride reaction going on to generate hydrogen.

Power plants on volcanoes are more realistic, in that they don’t break the laws of physics. So much so that they already exist, like the 60MW geothermal power station in Krafla, Iceland.
I can’t understand why we don’t tap into the earths own power source.
It’s the most natural thing in the world that never runs out and is free.
If we are able to split atoms then surely we could make this work
 
I can’t understand why we don’t tap into the earths own power source.
It’s the most natural thing in the world that never runs out and is free.
If we are able to split atoms then surely we could make this work
We do. Geothermal where it is close enough to the surface. Gets a bit hot and messy if you want to go all the way down to actual magma.

Nuclear power uses the same reactions as in the core, just on the surface where it’s a bit easier to build.

Alternatively, ground source heat pumps. You can install one in your own house, but communal approaches are even more efficient- there are examples of these in London already.
 
I've got a 68 plate 200hp 1.6 turbo Astra petrol that goes well but to do that it runs on 98 Ron unleaded and often unobtanium petrol as the supermarket pumps decreasingly stock the stuff.
If I hadn't been in such a rush to replace our previous car of ten years I would have happily instead bought a used VW Id 3 Pro S with the 77kw battery and heat pump heater.
Similar performance to the Astra which is at times too much like an eager puppy for an old fart like myself but proper range for an ev and on the right electric tariff at home a cheaper way to cover the same miles.
If I could afford the Id Buzz I would like one of those but that would be more of a vanity thing as the T6 would still be our holiday home.
 
I work in EV's for a power utility contractor. I'm not sure EV is the answer just yet, it's getting there but the infrastructure needs improving massively. The distribution network I primarily work on, told us last year that it would take 60 years to upgrade the underground cables with the currant staff. That wouldn't include new connections or any fault repairs. The cost wasn't even mentioned, probably billions. Some properties have a supply piggy backed off there neighbours supply cut out. At the moment these are free to unloop at a cost of upwards £7k picked up by the DNO just to enable an EV to be plugged in so the house owner can say theyve "gone green". When these distributors start charging, I think the surge in EV popularity will plumit, maybe not as bad as solar panels!!!. One of the lads I work with used to be on the oil rigs, they were told there's an infinite supply of oil!! I'm going petrol with my next car.
 
As others have said, EV`s may not be the answer, but are part of it.
The second hand market now has cheap offerings, and the running costs are cheap, if you charge at home. Sometimes on the right tariff, you could be paid to charge.
Once Vehicle to home becomes mainstream, I can see that many people will be charging vehicles when power is cheap/free then when not using the vehicle, it will be powering your home.
Looking over some of the threads on here re reliability of modern diesels, I would now be happy to give an ev a shot.
I've not been very impressed with my T6, Fords Transits are shite, if fact most modern diesels have there own problems which I am sure is due to the ever increasing emission restrictions. Thats sure to become worse also.
 
We're on our 4th EV, about to order our 5th. In those 12 years not one of the doomsayers predictions about battery life, range, finding somewhere to charge, cold weather, etc, have come true. The objections are almost all Daily Mail level bull.

They've been on the market for some time now and are well established, over a million EV registrations in the UK now, it seems highly unlikely any alternative is likely to take its place. They're here, with too much of a head start for anything except the most incredible unforseen technology to have any chance of supplanting them.

However, the tech doesn't scale well and loses effeciency/gains disproportionate mass with size, so I could see the potential for something else to power goods vehicles and lorries, but it won't be H - it's a great storage medium, but the energy input at source required for the energy output at point of use is disproportionately inefficient. The only people seriously considering it are car manufacturers late to the party who are instead hoping for a new wave they can ride.

E fuels? Forget it. Engineers have been trying for 80 years to manufacture synthetic road fuel at a scale effeciency that would allow it to be commercially viable as a replacement for gasoline. As yet no one has got within 1000% of the price at scale, so it seems unlikely anyone will suddenly do so now. Synthetic petrol at 14 quid a litre isn't going to be viable.
 
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Does anyone really believe that electric vehicles are the way forward?

Who knows, but only reason I bought a Tesla model 3 earlier this year was it is the only way I'd ever afford a supercar performing car without the price tag.

I love when customers come in moaning about EVs saying how slow they are and battery needs replacing after 5 years etc etc. Always great to let them rant on and then say how me and the boss both have EVs. and love them. Even better if you can give them a hurl in it
 
Not a fan of EVs either. Tech and infrastructure is not there and the cost for materials is false economy. But the biggest hidden problem is accident cost. Out of all the evs that we have repaired about 40% has had to be written off because of stupid prices for parts, the stupid way it's built and also how we are allowed to repair them, not even mentioning depreciation. If those cars were dirty diesel or petrol most of them would have been repaired as the labour and parts bill would be less.
 
Tech and infrastructure is not there
People say this, yet for the last 12 years we've been merrily driving them without issue in either regard.

That 98% of EV drivers choose another EV as their next car tells you all you need to know about that claim.

And deprecation is a market condition, nothing to do with the vehicles themselves. Wasn't so long back it was ICE cars being clobbered by depreciation yet strangely people never trotted that out as an excuse not to buy one.
 
That 98% of EV drivers choose another EV as their next car tells you all you need to know about that claim.
I'd be interested to know what proportion of EV owners have a ICE car too, some I know use the EV for the local use but take their ICE car on longer trips to avoid charging issues. That won't be an option for some those who only have one car, in the future.
 
....Alternatively, ground source heat pumps. You can install one in your own house, but communal approaches are even more efficient- there are examples of these in London already.
That's interesting to know. Being more efficient on a larger scale, it makes sense to share a large system.
Its a shame that things like this and solar panels aren't incorporated in to every new build housing project.
 
There was not the amount of EVs around ten years ago as there are now that is true, but our pi55 poor investment in anything that is good for the country is still way behind to handle a surge of new EVs. If it's a market problem, why is it we sell a new vivaro ev half the price 9 months on from new. It's because all the owners have said they are dog excrement on wheels with a useless 150 range. Not saying that EVs are all pointless, but when top brass who drive top spec EVs (£70k+) say they would rather have a ice car if it wasn't for the tax dodge company system it says something. The biggest problem they have with them is the winter range and charging on the go.
I have a pal who owns an EV just for work, and he can't wait to get out of it. Its was all good when he first got it but the battery deteriation is shocking after 3 years.
I would love to own a id buzz but would not sacrifice the peace of mind that If I run low on diesel I can find it easily compared to a working power outlet, but If the Toyota battery department has cracked the range usage like they said they have, that's a different story.
 
I'd be interested to know what proportion of EV owners have a ICE car too, some I know use the EV for the local use but take their ICE car on longer trips to avoid charging issues. That won't be an option for some those who only have one car, in the future.
Me for one. I've got the BMW i3s for short, regular local journeys and the T-Cross for the longer stuff, including trips to France. I can charge the EV for 7p per Kw at home over night and it has a real-world range of about 150 miles. Once an EV offering a range of 400 miles becomes cheaply available, I'll swap the ICE out
 
I can't help thinking that the "my mate says" or Youtuber "such and such says this" don't really help prove anything and are at best a clickbait distraction from the reality of a world that's got to stop burning stuff.
On this forum we moan our guts out legitimately about EGRs, DPFs and a 204 hp engine that eats it's own internals, sometimes in less than 50,000 miles and yet we would rather cling to that dirty technology than take a punt on something that needs none of this but that we might have to fill up every 150 miles instead of every 300 miles?
 
I can't help thinking that the "my mate says" or Youtuber "such and such says this" don't really help prove anything and are at best a clickbait distraction from the reality of a world that's got to stop burning stuff.
On this forum we moan our guts out legitimately about EGRs, DPFs and a 204 hp engine that eats it's own internals, sometimes in less than 50,000 miles and yet we would rather cling to that dirty technology than take a punt on something that needs none of this but that we might have to fill up every 150 miles instead of every 300 miles?

You're comparing filling up a petrol / diesel car with recharging an EV?
I don't think it's the same at all, one takes five minutes and is a leg stretch on a long journey, the other isn't.
 
Slightly off topic but I can't help thinking the EV world is going to get even more of a hammering now that that absolute joker Millibund is back in charge of energy decisions......remember he was the one that totally cocked up Smart Metering by putting the onus on energy companies instead of the regional DNO's to fit, commission and maintain.
But that's another story.....
 
The filling up definitely makes more sense if you coincide a pee, tea and munchies break too however in my case if I do spunk out the dosh on a used Id3 Pro S and get near or on that 300 mile range per full charge then I'll be hanging and ready to stop for more than five minutes.
I think changing over to an EV will require a change in driving habits too with prior route planning for charging stops rather than assuming there's always going to be a filling station available.
 
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