Are there any ?
Are EVs the way forward?
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Exactly my point
Nobody bought them because they are shite
As in the range you mean ?
If I remember correctly the official range was 80 miles. It's fair to assume that's under ideal conditions. Why did they even bother?
EVs may or may not be part of the solution but motoring less certainly should be.
Our T6 is used purely for ‘holiday’ type travel. Unnecessary of course but probably far reduced emissions than flying anywhere. Aside from this our (old diesel) car does less than 500 miles a year. We are normally out on the train. When it’s a local bus it’s usually more like a giant private taxi. Yet London buses are often rammed.
Our society has a long way to go to get the balance right and reduce private motoring.
Targets ?
Why?
Yeah the ABT back conversion was not great, but then maybe it was an experiment to decide if they needed to invest in the Buzz platform or could adapt an existing one.
I do like the look of the Buzz, when the time comes to change the Caravelle I may well look at one, but right now electric vans only really make sense for the local delivery rounds not long haul.
A leisure vehicle using the massive traction battery is certainly going to be interesting and would probably work for us as must of our roadtrips are not huge, but wouldn't be for everyone by any means.
For the environment, for our health, for our wallets, the NHS, and on and on and on ad nauseum.
I never drive a journey I can reasonably walk or cycle. I walk my youngest the half mile to school and see parents that live within sight of the school building pulling off their driveways and dropping their fat sprogs at the school gate before doing an about turn.
The best way to ensure we will still be allowed or able to use personal road transport in the future is to use it in sensible moderation today, else we'll be legislated and/or priced off the road completely. We're already seeing the thin end of the wedge with emissions zones, and that's nothing to that which we'll face in a decade if road users don't stop being so bone idle lazy.
I think there's a balance to be struck there, and not an easy one. If car manufacturers, as with many other industries, were free to operate completely unconstrained then we would never make progress that wasn't purely profit-driven. The fact remains however, that as of now, you are still free to go out and buy whatever car you wish*.
* Except a transit, don't buy one of those.
I don't need to try one to know that I don't want one, I just don't want one.
You've been brainwashed to accept a dystopian future where we're kettled into an ever smaller area for "our own good" by "our betters". Anyone who just meekly and unquestioningly accept this as their fate deserves the current autocratic political classes who believe we exist to serve them.
Sorry - I reject that view. I advocate for advancement not regression into the Middle Ages, when people lived and died in the village where they were born.
My missus was exactly the same, but 5 seconds behind the wheel of my Dad's then Model S twin motor saw her propelled halfway across the galactic disc and she couldn't wait to open my wallet for one of her own.
For my own part I'm easy. I love my Volvo as more of an enthusiasts thing, but as a daily family car I'm quite happy with electrons. It's here already and soon it'll be ubiquitous (without some as yet sudden and unforseen massive technological breakthrough elsewhere) and complaining or burying my head in the sand can't change any of that so it's fortunate I was happy to roll with it.
I've not been brainwashed. I'm not an evangelist. Including my motorbike I own three times as many ICE vehicles as I do an electric one - a strange ownership profile for someone that's been brainwashed on the subject.
And I'm neither meek nor unquestioning. Rather I'm a realist. ULEZ is already here and complaining, questioning, call it what you will, won't make it go away. It doesnt matter how much I question it or how much I disapprove, it aint going away.
Only action will make it go away.
Road pricing is the next thing, and wailing and gnashing our teeth won't stop that either. Just because I can see it coming makes me neither brainwashed notpr unquestioning - rather it makes me prescient.
I'm not pleased or happy about either, but moaning on internet forums does nothing to change the future. One is here and growing and as sure as eggs is eggs the other will be coming. We as a user group do have the power to alter that future, but we won't because too many of are frivolous in the use of our vehicles. They're the ones who've been brainwashed to belive that rampant and unfettered vehicle use has no adverse consequences and will remain that way for all time, and they're too lazy to question it.
As a user group we should have seen this coming. We've had decades to play the game, or atmthe very least pay lip service to it, and take the wind out of the sails of those politicians thst seek to screw us over. But the bulk of our group haven't, because that requires a modicum of effort.
The same people that are too lazy to walk their kids 400 metres to school are the same ones too lazy to do anything other than complain, or 'question', rather than do something substantive.
They, the bone idle lazy majority, are the ones that are ruining it for the likes of you and me.
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I have driven pure EVs (many), hybrids, fuel cell vehicles, hydrogen vehicles and ICE vehicles. Of these I will never purchase a pure EV until I am forced to do so. They are the essence of "Wolves in Sheep's Clothing".
Thing is with the ULEZ and us being shoe horned into EVs are the powers that be have plans to start charging EVs in these zones also. Pay by the mile was what I read they were planning.
And you can bet that these zones will just multiply in size.
Up here we have some of the cleanest air in the country. It’s been tested but we’ve still got ULEZ zones.
The best one is Aberdeen. Whose harbour area is included in the ULEZ zone.
I can’t drive my T5 van there but dozens and dozens of huge ships and scores of smaller boats with massive diesel engines that drink hundreds of pounds of diesel just leaving the harbour.
Yeh that’s ok.
I really do have no problem trying to reduce my own impact on the planet and don’t even mind EVs but both EVs and all these ULEZ areas are poorly thought out and simply not fit for purpose.
If these things actually worked properly and achieved what they are meant to and made a difference to the impact humans have on the earth then I and I would imagine most others would have no problem adapting.
The way it stands the UK as whole could stop producing all pollution tomorrow and it wouldn’t make the slightest difference to the planet.
Because of the scale of pollution elsewhere.
Would be a drop in the ocean.
I can’t see a way out this situation.
How can we turn around to all these other countries who are building their economies by burning coal to stop doing it after we’ve spent the last 150 years building our economies up with it ?
I bought an e-bike four years ago and it's changed my perceptions; cycling in and out of town is easier, quicker and more fun than driving/parking. So that's EV #1
EV #2 will come along one day, for local and short distance use only - I'm liking the look of the upcoming Renault 5. I will then have the T6 as our only long distance vehicle.
Caveat - you need a drive/garage, a decent flexible electricity tariff (preferably with solar and battery) and to be flush enough to shell out for all that. And no, you'll not make it pay (but current tax advantages on EVs as company cars are decent, if available).
So not for everyone, but I like change so I'll go there soon.
EV #2 will come along one day, for local and short distance use only - I'm liking the look of the upcoming Renault 5. I will then have the T6 as our only long distance vehicle.
Caveat - you need a drive/garage, a decent flexible electricity tariff (preferably with solar and battery) and to be flush enough to shell out for all that. And no, you'll not make it pay (but current tax advantages on EVs as company cars are decent, if available).
So not for everyone, but I like change so I'll go there soon.
You won't be doing the NC500 then?
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If you seriously think that we'd be in any different situation even if we'd made only essential journeys over the last decade I've got a bridge to sell you.
Yep, it's coming for everyone.
And we as a user group are to blame. No one else. It isn't there to penalise anything pedestrians are doing.
As for China burning orphans and stuff, I don't care. As aforementioned, I'm not an evangelist. I'm just a guy with an EV (and. T6.1, a Volvo, and a ZZR1400) who realises most of the excuses people trot out are nonsense. I have no views either way about what the rest of the world are up to with coal or oil, and I myself have three vehicles thst merrily burn the stuff.
But I will say this. China do lots of highly unpleasant things, and just because China do them is no justification or excuse for the UK to do it. If that's the best excuse we can come up with for carrying on as we are then we've already lost the argument.
And we as a user group are to blame. No one else. It isn't there to penalise anything pedestrians are doing.
As for China burning orphans and stuff, I don't care. As aforementioned, I'm not an evangelist. I'm just a guy with an EV (and. T6.1, a Volvo, and a ZZR1400) who realises most of the excuses people trot out are nonsense. I have no views either way about what the rest of the world are up to with coal or oil, and I myself have three vehicles thst merrily burn the stuff.
But I will say this. China do lots of highly unpleasant things, and just because China do them is no justification or excuse for the UK to do it. If that's the best excuse we can come up with for carrying on as we are then we've already lost the argument.
