VW Transporter Electric

[DXX]

Without getting into the practicalities of future road transport it’s clear that there is no magic solution but there appears to be 3 options;
1. Do nothing and become extinct.
2. Live like we did before the Industrial Revolution.
3.Nature eliminates of a good proportion of the worlds population and we carry on as normal.

My moneys on #3.

 

[t0mb0]

Without getting into the practicalities of future road transport it’s clear that there is no magic solution but there appears to be 3 options;
1. Do nothing and become extinct.
2. Live like we did before the Industrial Revolution.
3.Nature eliminates of a good proportion of the worlds population and we carry on as normal.

My moneys on #3.

Agree that it’s very unlikely we’ll pull our fingers out of our collective arses in time to avoid the world and our way of life changing in fairly serious ways.

 

[DaveD]

Agree that it’s very unlikely we’ll pull our fingers out of our collective arses in time to avoid the world and our way of life changing in fairly serious ways.

I'd like somebody to explain climate change over millions of years that is scientifically proven by glaciation and the subsequent geological evidence that is abundant in the UK. Species that couldn't adapt died out, many left fossil evidence. More recently the Romans grew grapes in England. Even more recently people skated and walked across the thick ice on the River Thames in winter.
What caused that climate change? Is it still causing climate change? If we can't explain historic climate change how can we say that atmospheric CO2 released by mankind today causes climate change?
I'm sure that when you pay a scientist to prove that our carbon emissions cause climate change, they do exactly that. The ones that openly disagree (there are plenty) are mostly working in McDonalds now.
Anybody remember David Bellamy?
I like to keep an open mind but there are many questions left unanswered in this debate and too much money involved for honesty to prevail.
As a student in 1985 I saw researchers pump CO2 into huge greenhouses, the crops in those greenhouses grew much better and produced more food, soaking up CO2 and producing Oxygen. CO2 wasn't regarded as the devil in those days, we were told that ice cores proved that atmospheric CO2 levels were at historic lows and that we needed more of it to green the planet and produce the food for a population that grows endlessly!!!

 

[BognorMotors]

Think @BognorMotors has been on his hols, sure he will respond in time

Haha. Just turned my phone off for a few days.
The EV transporter is god damn awful. I can say nothing positive about it. Sorry.

End of thread right there

 

[t0mb0]

I'd like somebody to explain climate change over millions of years that is scientifically proven by glaciation and the subsequent geological evidence that is abundant in the UK. Species that couldn't adapt died out, many left fossil evidence. More recently the Romans grew grapes in England. Even more recently people skated and walked across the thick ice on the River Thames in winter.
What caused that climate change? Is it still causing climate change? If we can't explain historic climate change how can we say that atmospheric CO2 released by mankind today causes climate change?
I'm sure that when you pay a scientist to prove that our carbon emissions cause climate change, they do exactly that. The ones that openly disagree (there are plenty) are mostly working in McDonalds now.
Anybody remember David Bellamy?
I like to keep an open mind but there are many questions left unanswered in this debate and too much money involved for honesty to prevail.
As a student in 1985 I saw researchers pump CO2 into huge greenhouses, the crops in those greenhouses grew much better and produced more food, soaking up CO2 and producing Oxygen. CO2 wasn't regarded as the devil in those days, we were told that ice cores proved that atmospheric CO2 levels were at historic lows and that we needed more of it to green the planet and produce the food for a population that grows endlessly!!!

I'm not sure a bloke on a van forum going on about natural climate change, David Bellamy and what he did as a student in 1985 goes a particularly long way to rebutting the global scientific consensus on man-made climate change.

However, in this case it doesn't particularly matter because the precautionary principle applies. Even if you think the whole idea of man made climate change is unlikely, the potential danger is so great that it makes sense to do something anyway. Put it this way, if you're right then what are the consequences - that we've stopped pumping crap into the atmosphere for nothing (oh no!)? And if you're wrong, humankind gets to pay the price for generations to come.

 

[DaveD]

I'm not sure a bloke on a van forum going on about natural climate change, David Bellamy and what he did as a student in 1985 goes a particularly long way to rebutting the global scientific consensus on man-made climate change.

However, in this case it doesn't particularly matter because the precautionary principle applies. Even if you think the whole idea of man made climate change is unlikely, the potential danger is so great that it makes sense to do something anyway. Put it this way, if you're right then what are the consequences - that we've stopped pumping crap into the atmosphere for nothing (oh no!)? And if you're wrong, humankind gets to pay the price for generations to come.

You managed to respond without answering any of the questions I asked. The first one is tricky but it's a credibility issue.
In any event, it's good that we are all allowed to have, and express, different opinions, even if you don't follow the media view. If you rely on the "global scientific consensus" then as I said you are relying on views expressed by those who want to keep their jobs, not ever so impartial.
It's a strange conclusion to come to that anybody who raises doubts about the causes of climate change must want to pump crap into the atmosphere, I'm not sure where that came from, I care about the environment.
If you currently have an ICE vehicle you probably only do essential journeys and don't ever drive for recreational purposes, that would be "pumping crap into the atmosphere for nothing" and if you're right, "humankind gets to pay the price for generations to come".

 

[DXX]

I worked in the Arctic during summer over 2 decades and witnessed the ice retreat further, ironically in oil exploration. There is no doubt it’s happening and it doesn‘t matter if it’s EV‘s or flying carpets that are the flying down the M4 in 10 years time we simply need to stop buying shit we don’t need.

 

[rudestew]

The £50,000 + EV that have 500bhp 0-60 in 2.5 and a range of 300 miles won't save the planet BUT a £15,000 EV that has 100bhp 0-60 sub 10 and a range of 600miles might

 

[Graham Jones]

If it wasn't for climate change, we wouldn't be here now.
It's just as well we weren't around in the ice-age period......to stop the warming.
We really have dumbed down society....what a joke.

 

[DaveD]

If it wasn't for climate change, we wouldn't be here now.
It's just as well we weren't around in the ice-age period......to stop the warming.
We really have dumbed down society....what a joke.

Only 17 years ago scientists were warning the UK we were heading for a "Siberian climate" within 20 years!

Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us

· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war· Britain will be ‘Siberian’ in less than 20 years · Threat to the world is greater than terrorism.

www.theguardian.com

 

[lightning]

Haha. Just turned my phone off for a few days.
The EV transporter is god damn awful. I can say nothing positive about it. Sorry.

End of thread right there

So, it looks like a regular Transporter and the load space is the same. The cab interior looks the same and l assume the suspension and steering are the same (as the diesel version)

Can you tell me what the "g** damn awful" parts are?

ls it the range? The performance? The spec says it has around 110bhp

Road tests l've watched mainly criticise the range of 82 miles. Nobody complains about how it drives. What am l missing here that's so "g** damn awful" about it?

 

[Skyliner33]

Anyone thought that is we all stopped eating beef and became vegans, that would have more effect on the greenhouse effect that going to EV. Methane is a more effective greenhouse gas than CO2

 

[DaveD]

l wonder if they will eventually be able to produce an HGV tractor unit that has a range of 500 miles towing a fully laden trailer.

HGV drivers won't appreciate stopping to charge the battery three times a day

Well they've got 19 years to come up with something!

Sale of ALL diesel lorries to be banned from 2040

The delayed Transport Decarbonisation Plan includes several consultations aimed at cutting transport pollution to help the UK reach net zero carbon emissions by 2050.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[t0mb0]

Only 17 years ago scientists were warning the UK we were heading for a "Siberian climate" within 20 years!

Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us

· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war· Britain will be ‘Siberian’ in less than 20 years · Threat to the world is greater than terrorism.

www.theguardian.com

Haha, love it, attempting to cast doubt on climate change by posting an article about the severity of the consequences of climate change. Well done! I guess you just saw the word "Siberian" and thought you were on to a winner?

 

[t0mb0]

If it wasn't for climate change, we wouldn't be here now.
It's just as well we weren't around in the ice-age period......to stop the warming.
We really have dumbed down society....what a joke.

Ah, another "Natural climate change is a thing so man made climate change can't be a thing" line of argument. Excellent.

 

[Graham Jones]

Ah, another "Natural climate change is a thing so man made climate change can't be a thing" line of argument. Excellent.

Well I have been waiting for the man made climate change predictions to come true...50 years so far....I haven't got that long to go .........our children won't know what snow is...even the rain that falls, will not fill our dams...etc etc...so many true believers. .....

 

[Loopdreams]

Well I have been waiting for the man made climate change predictions to come true...50 years so far....I haven't got that long to go .........our children won't know what snow is...even the rain that falls, will not fill our dams...etc etc...so many true believers. .....

Well there's quite the thundering mass of evidence that things are already changing in many parts of the world. We can't really wait until everyone can observe it personally wherever they live. It's already too late really.

And this is highly anecdotal I know but part of your comment made me think of it. Whilst I remember that 40 years ago we would get enough snow to play in at least once a year, my eight year old daughter has never seen proper snow (like more than half a cm that's gone in ten minutes) on the ground here. I have no idea if this is related to climate change or just changing weather patterns and it's obviously no real hardship but it does feel like a change.

 

[DaveD]

Well there's quite the thundering mass of evidence that things are already changing in many parts of the world. We can't really wait until everyone can observe it personally wherever they live. It's already too late really.

And this is highly anecdotal I know but part of your comment made me think of it. Whilst I remember that 40 years ago we would get enough snow to play in at least once a year, my eight year old daughter has never seen proper snow (like more than half a cm that's gone in ten minutes) on the ground here. I have no idea if this is related to climate change or just changing weather patterns and it's obviously no real hardship but it does feel like a change.

I don't think anybody is suggesting that the climate doesn't change.

 

[Loopdreams]

I don't think anybody is suggesting that the climate doesn't change.

No, but what they're saying that it is highly likely that there will soon be a relatively sudden change brought about by human activity that will be difficult to adapt to. Anyway I'm not going to debate this any more because it's getting beyond stupid and into flat earth territory now. I'm not a climate scientist but those who are*, the people who have dedicated their lives to studying this are hugely overwhelmingly of the same broad view and if anything are trying to err on the side of more optimistic predictions so as not to engender a spirit of hopelessness.

*and not just them, most scientists from other branches familiar with the scientific method all tend to agree as well.

 

[Pauly]

Just popped in for a bit of light hearted reading about VW electric vans ........