- 204ps Bi-Turbo CXEB T6 Engine & Turbo problems -

[Dellmassive]

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- 204ps Bi-Turbo CXEB T6 Engine & Turbo problems - Looks like im the latest patient of the CEXB engine issues. (possibly the 2016-2018 range as there is a mention that the CXEB Block etc was revised in 2019) (the CXEC 199ps Bi-Turbo was released 2019> and revised ) in sort it looks like its...

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Best to read over from the start. Lots of info at the top.

 

[albiro]

I've just picked up the van, the dealership were pretty much stonewalling because I was loudly complaining that it's a piss take that a 62k mile diesel engine needed replacing at such a high cost, everyone in the dealership was just staring at the ground (it's not really their fault, I didn't buy it from them, and ultimately they're not VW themselves).

The quote I've got back lists £7871.00 for a "stock base engine (long block)", £1440.00 for a Catalytic converter, £1845.00 for a diesel particulate filter and £295 for a lambda sensor, then there's a further three pages worth of odds and sods like washers, gaskets, bolts, etc. The labour is quote at £2070.00. All the prices then need VAT adding on, on top of that.

I asked about this CXEB vs CXEC thing because the question I asked at the dealership of "will this replacement engine be like-for-like?" seemed to be met with a "yes", and that suggests they're just going to be fitting another engine that can potentially just have the same problems in the next few years - the engine, it turns out, has a 2-year warranty only, so basically if the problem repeats again within a few years, I'm totally screwed.

I will need to go and speak to VW care and see if they can help in any way - at present I'm unsure of the benefit of spending the above amount of cash for something that could just repeat itself within a few years, what a bizarre situation to be in.

After a month of going back and forth with VW, they eventually agreed to supply the replacement engine at warranty price, and contributed 30% towards the job.

In total the van had a new longblock engine, DPF, catalytic converter and lambda sensor fit at the end of December, coming in at £8,750.00 including labour and VAT.

I've put the van up for sale (I don't have sufficient privileges to post on the for sale page on the forum).

 

[Dellmassive]

After a month of going back and forth with VW, they eventually agreed to supply the replacement engine at warranty price, and contributed 30% towards the job.

In total the van had a new longblock engine, DPF, catalytic converter and lambda sensor fit at the end of December, coming in at £8,750.00 including labour and VAT.

I've put the van up for sale (I don't have sufficient privileges to post on the for sale page on the forum).

£8750. That was your contribution?

To the £20k overall job?

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[albiro]

The overall job original estimate was £17.8k inc VAT, VW agreed to supply the parts at warranty price rather than retail which brought the job cost down to around ~£12k, and VW contributed 30% (so ~£3k) and I paid £8.7k.

 

[Dellmassive]

Gotcha....

So new engine. Dpf. Cat. Lamda sensor for you.

Same as me.

Another cxeb engine knackered.

Shame a takes a battle with VW for them to admit they had a faulty manufacturing problem and get you sorted out..... Even if you had to contribute.

 

[albiro]

They haven't admitted it though, I argued until my face went blue that this was in no way my fault and that the engine is defective by design, that they should at least be splitting the cost 50/50 with me, but they weren't having it. They basically made out they were doing me a favour, as if I was somehow responsible for this. It was like extracting blood out of a stone.

It's certainly good that I got the price roughly down to half of the original quote, but ultimately having had the vehicle serviced at a VW dealer every year on the dot, with anything they recommended each year done to it, there should be no reason why an engine should die after 60k miles, much less me having to fork out a replacement cost for it.

End of last year alone I already spent £3.5k on maintenance on the van, including servicing, new tyres, a new clutch and flywheel, fixing a whole bunch of broken things. To then have to add £8.7k to the bill just to keep the thing running was just heart breaking.

 

[SlothBurger]

Sorry to ask a question that is probably already answered. I have the CXEB engine in a 2019 Kombi. I can't find a definitive answer in the thread above how to identify if mine might be affected or if all CXEB engines are eventually affected. Mine was manufactured in April of 2019 and first registered in September of 2019. It's CXEB on the built sheet so presumably doesn't have whatever fix was implemented.

 

[Taiter]

Hey, I'm new to the forum and have been reading through this thread and i have the CXEB engine in my 2018 204ps 4motion T6 kombi? I've been going through a fair amount of oil in the last few months. Had it in at my local garage today and they think it's the rings gone as its not leaking from anywhere and this is a common problem as i've just read about wear in the bore? I had to fit new turbo's not long after i bought it as previous owner only drove around short distances and turbo actuators froze so got new genuine fitted this was at about 42k miles, so hoping it's not the turbos? It's had an EGR and DPF delete done to it and mapped. Could any of this have contributed to oil usage? It is now just turned 50k miles. Is this just basically a new engine required or strip down and rebuild? Sorry if this has been asked many times. Also there seems to be alot of back pressure coming when you take the oil cap off.? And thanks in advance

 

[Dellmassive]

Sorry to ask a question that is probably already answered. I have the CXEB engine in a 2019 Kombi. I can't find a definitive answer in the thread above how to identify if mine might be affected or if all CXEB engines are eventually affected. Mine was manufactured in April of 2019 and first registered in September of 2019. It's CXEB on the built sheet so presumably doesn't have whatever fix was implemented.

Read over the whole thread...

There are some people that seem to be unaffected and have high milage cxeb engines. ( The lucky ones )

There was a revision in 2019, but we don't from what point or serial number. There would have been a sock of engines ready to go regardless of MY or reg date.

The first sign of turbo or engine trouble is increased oil use..... So monitor and log all oil changes, top ups and milage.


Fyi, standard top up would be 1ltr in the middle of a 18kmiles long life oil change from my last 17years Transport ownership.

 

[Dellmassive]

Hey, I'm new to the forum and have been reading through this thread and i have the CXEB engine in my 2018 204ps 4motion T6 kombi? I've been going through a fair amount of oil in the last few months. Had it in at my local garage today and they think it's the rings gone as its not leaking from anywhere and this is a common problem as i've just read about wear in the bore? I had to fit new turbo's not long after i bought it as previous owner only drove around short distances and turbo actuators froze so got new genuine fitted this was at about 42k miles, so hoping it's not the turbos? It's had an EGR and DPF delete done to it and mapped. Could any of this have contributed to oil usage? It is now just turned 50k miles. Is this just basically a new engine required or strip down and rebuild? Sorry if this has been asked many times. Also there seems to be alot of back pressure coming when you take the oil cap off.? And thanks in advance

The back pressure would be a sign of worn engine. So id assume it's another effected engine.

A set of rings won't fix it. (The bores wear too much)

It's a new version long block engine..... And if the oil has contaminated the exhaust system it's a cat + dpf + lambs sensor too.

Who knows what the deletes and map has done.....but they won't effect a worn block and pistons.

If you have high oil loss... Then you need to have a compression test done... Low compression means new long block engine..... (Or a second hand used CXEC)

 

[Repete]

Status update on the patient.

This week, time had come for my van going in to get the work included in TPI 2061290/6 done.

As mentioned earlier we landed the following deal:
VW offering a 80% discount on all parts regarding the TPI.
The danish distributor/VW shop agreed to a 50% discount on all work.

The work started Tuesday morning and final stuff finished slightly past midday today (Friday).
Had them do the cambelt kit now while at it (139800 km)

So now fitted with
- a new base engine (03N100090AX) (stated as shortblock with cylinder head and all that goes with that)
- fresh Diesel particulate filter
- New Catalytic converter
- New Lambda probe.
- Loads of bolts, gaskets, tubes etc.

The ash level has been reset according to zero as mentioned in early posts of this thread.
Also oil pressure is set to max while running the new engine in.

After getting old engine out they found water in the EGR cooler forcing a replacement of that as well.

Haven´t driven it very long yet but immediately noticed the engine running far smoother with far less vibration.
Looking forward to spin it more to get a sense of more potential improvements.

Good to finally get fix done done and, after bleeding a not exactly small bill, hopefully getting it fully out of my "system".

Massive thanks to Dellmassive for creating this very informative thread here.
Has been a great help along the way.

Also thanks to everyone else sharing their experiences.