Van Speed Limit?
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It can still be N1 but allowed to do 70mph if it is registered as a Motor Caravan. The “N1” is the taxation class.
Some of you maybe interested in this....
Petition: Standardise speed limits for vehicles up to 3500kg
Petition: Standardise speed limits for vehicles up to 3500kg
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Wow! I've just read through this entire thread. Fascinating but omg... Average white band song going through my head. Also legged it downstairs to check my v5... It's only 1:30am after all! 
I'm an N1 for tax but body type is set to 'motor caravan' which is something my converter does for all their vans. If you're a camper, get this changed, could save you a few quid and a few minutes. Personally tho, I tend to drive the van slower than the cars, "tunes on, chill out", as someone stated earlier in the thread.
This is an excellent thread even though it has repeated itself, a lot (let's go round again...) . I have to thank @Thogg for his information and patience, and all the forum team for keeping this on track and relevant, and to everyone else for Adding links and enhancing the info.
Good work fellas!
Defo worth the read.
So how fast can I.....
Only joking.
I'm an N1 for tax but body type is set to 'motor caravan' which is something my converter does for all their vans. If you're a camper, get this changed, could save you a few quid and a few minutes. Personally tho, I tend to drive the van slower than the cars, "tunes on, chill out", as someone stated earlier in the thread.
This is an excellent thread even though it has repeated itself, a lot (let's go round again...) . I have to thank @Thogg for his information and patience, and all the forum team for keeping this on track and relevant, and to everyone else for Adding links and enhancing the info.
Good work fellas!
Defo worth the read.
So how fast can I.....
Only joking.
im afraid so Woodsy, i suppose its pot luck really, as i met a guy last month who,s been driving vans for over 10 years at car speeds and never had a ticket !
I've Never seen a delivery driver adear to this speed limit & that's there job on the line!
They always bomb past me !!
Do police really "police" this law?
Unfortunately the police get little opportunity to police the roads, it’s all civilians and cameras, hence why you can get a fine at 80 on an empty, sunny, Sunday morning motorway while the tw@t who tailgates at 70 on a torrential dark November eve is passed as safe
he obviously wasn't from north Yorkshire then! there are camera vans around every corner here! a mate of mine's brother is a recently retired traffic policeman....even he hated them with a passion!!
Hello, I'm new. I have a kombi and this thread has caused me some concern although I'm mow sure I'm fine as it is a dual service vehicle. I think that preparation is a good thing however and rather than have to respond to NIP from scratch this thread could be useful for all of us by preparing a standard response (with blanks for each to put in their individual details).
I'll make a start:
Version 1- a simple statement that the kombi is a dual purpose vehicle.
I think, but am not sure that actually it will be for them to prove it isn't rather than for us to prove it is.
Dear BLANK
I received a NIP dated (DDMMYYYY) ref (REF) in relation to an alleged episode of exceeding the speed limit on (DDMMYYYY), (HHMM)hrs at (LOCATION) which is a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) in vehicle (REG).
I will contest prosecution.
It is alleged that vehicle (REG) was traveling at (NNmph) and that this exceeded the permitted maximum of (50mph or 60mph) on a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) on the basis that vehicle (REG) is a goods vehicle.
(It is also alleged that the vehicle was exceeding the permitted maximum speed for the class of vehicle and I have separately been alleged to have committed this an independent offence).
I contest the basis of the NIP because (REG) is a dual purpose vehicle as defined by The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 UK Statutory Instruments 1986 No. 1078 PART I Regulation 3.
Yours sincerely,
YOUR NAME
Version 2 - with proof:
Dear BLANK
I received a NIP dated (DDMMYYYY) ref (REF) in relation to an alleged episode of exceeding the speed limit on (DDMMYYYY), (HHMM)hrs at (LOCATION) which is a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) in vehicle (REG).
I will contest prosecution.
It is alleged that vehicle (REG) was traveling at (NNmph) and that this exceeded the permitted maximum of (50mph or 60mph) on a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) on the basis that vehicle (REG) is a goods vehicle.
(It is also alleged that the vehicle was exceeding the permitted maximum speed for the class of vehicle and I have separately been alleged to have committed this an independent offence).
I contest the basis of the NIP because (REG) is a dual purpose vehicle as defined by The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 UK Statutory Instruments 1986 No. 1078 PART I Regulation 3.
Vehicle (REG) is a dual purpose vehicle because: Regulation 3 (above) states that a dual purpose vehicle is:
"a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods or burden of any description, being a vehicle of which the unladen weight does not exceed 2040 kg, and which either—
(i) is so constructed or adapted that the driving power of the engine is, or by the appropriate use of the controls of the vehicle can be, transmitted to all the wheels of the vehicle; or
(ii) satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely—
I confirm that my vehicle meets the weight criteria and criteria ii) a,b and c in their entirety.
Weight: Please find enclosed a copy of the V5 for (REG) this indicated that the mass in service, at G (highlighted) is (XXXXkg).
Therefore the unladen weight of my vehicle is: (Insert mass in service at G on V5)kg- 75kg - (70lt x 0.9 x 0.83kg/lt)
Which is (mass in service at G) kg- 75kg - 52.29kg = XXXXkg. This is below 2040kg.
Please find attached the schematic drawing of vehicle (REG) which is from the VW commercial vehicle brochure. This provides evidence to show that (REG) satisfies the other criteria, I also attach my own photographs of my vehicle.
Many thanks in anticipation of your confirmation that the intended prosecution will be withdrawn,
YOUR NAME.
Your
sincerely
YOUR NAME
I'll make a start:
Version 1- a simple statement that the kombi is a dual purpose vehicle.
I think, but am not sure that actually it will be for them to prove it isn't rather than for us to prove it is.
Dear BLANK
I received a NIP dated (DDMMYYYY) ref (REF) in relation to an alleged episode of exceeding the speed limit on (DDMMYYYY), (HHMM)hrs at (LOCATION) which is a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) in vehicle (REG).
I will contest prosecution.
It is alleged that vehicle (REG) was traveling at (NNmph) and that this exceeded the permitted maximum of (50mph or 60mph) on a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) on the basis that vehicle (REG) is a goods vehicle.
(It is also alleged that the vehicle was exceeding the permitted maximum speed for the class of vehicle and I have separately been alleged to have committed this an independent offence).
I contest the basis of the NIP because (REG) is a dual purpose vehicle as defined by The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 UK Statutory Instruments 1986 No. 1078 PART I Regulation 3.
Yours sincerely,
YOUR NAME
Version 2 - with proof:
Dear BLANK
I received a NIP dated (DDMMYYYY) ref (REF) in relation to an alleged episode of exceeding the speed limit on (DDMMYYYY), (HHMM)hrs at (LOCATION) which is a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) in vehicle (REG).
I will contest prosecution.
It is alleged that vehicle (REG) was traveling at (NNmph) and that this exceeded the permitted maximum of (50mph or 60mph) on a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) on the basis that vehicle (REG) is a goods vehicle.
(It is also alleged that the vehicle was exceeding the permitted maximum speed for the class of vehicle and I have separately been alleged to have committed this an independent offence).
I contest the basis of the NIP because (REG) is a dual purpose vehicle as defined by The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 UK Statutory Instruments 1986 No. 1078 PART I Regulation 3.
Vehicle (REG) is a dual purpose vehicle because: Regulation 3 (above) states that a dual purpose vehicle is:
"a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods or burden of any description, being a vehicle of which the unladen weight does not exceed 2040 kg, and which either—
(i) is so constructed or adapted that the driving power of the engine is, or by the appropriate use of the controls of the vehicle can be, transmitted to all the wheels of the vehicle; or
(ii) satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely—
(a) the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel;
(b) the area of the vehicle to the rear of the driver's seat must—
(i) be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for two or more passengers and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered back-rests, attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle; and
(ii) be lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an area or aggregate area of not less than 1850 square centimetres on each side and not less than 770 square centimetres at the rear; and
(c) the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in head (i) of sub-paragraph (b) (or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the rearmost such row) must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one-third of the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the rearmost part of the floor of the vehicle."
I confirm that my vehicle meets the weight criteria and criteria ii) a,b and c in their entirety.
Weight: Please find enclosed a copy of the V5 for (REG) this indicated that the mass in service, at G (highlighted) is (XXXXkg).
1. Mass in service is defined by (I NEED HELP AS I'M STRUGGLING TO FIND AN AUTHORITATIVE DEFINITION) as (NEED CHAPTER AND VERSE FROM THE CORRECT OFFICIAL DOCUMENT. This includes a mass of both (75kg is this right) for a driver (and passengers??) and also (the mass of fuel filled to 90% of tank volume).
2. Unladen weight is defined at www.gov.uk/vehicle-weights-explained as "The unladen weight of any vehicle is the weight of the vehicle when it’s not carrying any passengers, goods or other items. It includes the body and all parts normally used with the vehicle or trailer when it’s used on a road. It doesn’t include the weight of:
fuel
batteries in an electric vehicle - unless it’s a mobility scooter or powered wheelchair"
batteries in an electric vehicle - unless it’s a mobility scooter or powered wheelchair"
3. Vehicle (REG) has a 70lt fuel tank, it runs on (diesel/ petrol).
4. The approximate density of diesel (/ petrol) is 0.83kg/lt.
Therefore the unladen weight of my vehicle is: (Insert mass in service at G on V5)kg- 75kg - (70lt x 0.9 x 0.83kg/lt)
Which is (mass in service at G) kg- 75kg - 52.29kg = XXXXkg. This is below 2040kg.
Please find attached the schematic drawing of vehicle (REG) which is from the VW commercial vehicle brochure. This provides evidence to show that (REG) satisfies the other criteria, I also attach my own photographs of my vehicle.
Many thanks in anticipation of your confirmation that the intended prosecution will be withdrawn,
YOUR NAME.
Your
sincerely
YOUR NAME
I must admit I drive my Kombi to the "normal" car speed limits - and touch wood, 20 months of running around hasn't cost me a speeding fine.
So how many people have been stopped / prosecuted for speeding in their vans?
FWIW, a retired copper mate of mine doesn't think many plod consider the lower limits for vans when they see them on motorways!
So how many people have been stopped / prosecuted for speeding in their vans?
FWIW, a retired copper mate of mine doesn't think many plod consider the lower limits for vans when they see them on motorways!
Toonfan66
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Ed,
I think this is what I'd be doing if I was in your shoes, I think it's a really good piece of work.
However I'm not in your shoes, but have been looking at a new T6 to convert so am thinking ahead to ensure, if I ever man up and 'pull the trigger' I don't get caught out later on.
My question to those who have ordered recently (apologies if this has been answered before, I am suffering a bit of information overload) is does VW alter the unladen weight of individual vehicles as recorded on the V5 depending on options, e.g. if ordering a Kombi with 2nd sliding door, rear windows, factory tow bar, larger fuel tank etc would I end up with a V5 listing a higher unladen weight than the one listed in the VW brochure?
If the answer is yes, as I suspect, I imagine it will be a difficult task to calculate weight of an ordered vehicle before it arrives.
Cheers in advance.
It looks like yes but for clarity the V5 records mass in service (not unladen weight). I have a kombi with double sliding doors and so the mass in service is higher than that in the brochure. It would be interesting to get some details of the different specs popel have and the V5 mass in service recorded.
It looks like the thing that really takes you over is 4WD.
Updated: with exact definitions of mass in service, mass in running order.
Version 1.2- a simple statement that the kombi is a dual purpose vehicle.
I think, but am not sure that actually it will be for them to prove it isn't rather than for us to prove it is.
Can anyone who knows clarify the position regarding who has the burden of proof regards defences to speeding. Does the defendant (driver) have to prove that he has a defence? Or does the CPS have to prove that the driver does not? If the latter then just saying that you have a dual purpose vehicle should be sufficient and then it would be for the police to come and inspect against the various criteria / regulations.
Dear BLANK
I received a NIP dated (DDMMYYYY) ref (REF) in relation to an alleged episode of exceeding the speed limit on (DDMMYYYY), (HHMM)hrs at (LOCATION) which is a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) in vehicle (REG).
I will contest prosecution.
It is alleged that vehicle (REG) was traveling at (NNmph) and that this exceeded the permitted maximum of (50mph or 60mph) on a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) on the basis that vehicle (REG) is a goods vehicle.
(It is also alleged that the vehicle was exceeding the permitted maximum speed for the class of vehicle and I have separately been alleged to have committed this an independent offence).
I contest the basis of the NIP because (REG) is a dual purpose vehicle as defined by The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 UK Statutory Instruments 1986 No. 1078 PART I Regulation 3.
Yours sincerely,
YOUR NAME
Version 2.2 - with proof:
Dear BLANK
I received a NIP dated (DDMMYYYY) ref (REF) in relation to an alleged episode of exceeding the speed limit on (DDMMYYYY), (HHMM)hrs at (LOCATION) which is a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) in vehicle (REG).
I will contest prosecution.
It is alleged that vehicle (REG) was traveling at (NNmph) and that this exceeded the permitted maximum of (50mph or 60mph) on a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) on the basis that vehicle (REG) is a goods vehicle.
(It is also alleged that the vehicle was exceeding the permitted maximum speed for the class of vehicle and I have separately been alleged to have committed this an independent offence).
I contest the basis of the NIP because (REG) is a dual purpose vehicle as defined by The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 UK Statutory Instruments 1986 No. 1078 PART I Regulation 3.
Dual purpose vehicles are subject to identical speed limits as cars. See Speed limits
Vehicle (REG) is a dual purpose vehicle because: Regulation 3 (above) states that a dual purpose vehicle is:
"a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods or burden of any description, being a vehicle of which the unladen weight does not exceed 2040 kg, and which either—
(i) is so constructed or adapted that the driving power of the engine is, or by the appropriate use of the controls of the vehicle can be, transmitted to all the wheels of the vehicle; or
(ii) satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely—
(a) the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel;
(b) the area of the vehicle to the rear of the driver's seat must—
(i) be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for two or more passengers and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered back-rests, attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle; and
(ii) be lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an area or aggregate area of not less than 1850 square centimetres on each side and not less than 770 square centimetres at the rear; and
(c) the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in head (i) of sub-paragraph (b) (or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the rearmost such row) must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one-third of the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the rearmost part of the floor of the vehicle."
I confirm that my vehicle meets the weight criteria and criteria ii) a,b and c in their entirety.
Weight: Please find enclosed a copy of the V5 for (REG) the mass in service, at G (highlighted) is (XXXXkg).
1. The mass in service figure is provided by Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles to the DVLA at the time of initial registration on form V55/5 see DVLA document V355/5 at item 37. Mass in service as set out in the V5 is the mass in running order defined by Commission Directive 95/48/EC (20 September 1995) Annex I Appendix 1 item 2.6 as: "Mass of the vehicle with bodywork in running order, or mass of the chassis with cab if the manufacturer does not fit the bodywork (including coolant, oils, fuel, tools, spare wheel and driver)" The figure provided is on the basis of a driver mass of 75kg and an approximate 90% fuel load, see Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles brochure The Transporter 2019 edition technical information, kombi weights footnote 1.
2. Unladen weight is defined in SI (1986) No. 1078 Part 1 R3(2) as; "the weight of a vehicle or trailer inclusive of the body and all parts (the heavier being taken where alternative bodies or parts are used) which are necessary to or ordinarily used with the vehicle or trailer when working on a road, but exclusive of the weight of water, fuel or accumulators used for the purpose of the supply of power for the propulsion of the vehicle or, as the case may be, of any vehicle by which the trailer is drawn, and of loose tools and loose equipment." An explanation is provided at www.gov.uk/vehicle-weights-explained which says"The unladen weight of any vehicle is the weight of the vehicle when it’s not carrying any passengers, goods or other items. It includes the body and all parts normally used with the vehicle or trailer when it’s used on a road. It doesn’t include the weight of:fuel, batteries in an electric vehicle - unless it’s a mobility scooter or powered wheelchair"
3. Vehicle (REG) has a 70lt fuel tank, it runs on (diesel/ petrol).
4. The approximate density of diesel (/ petrol) is 0.83kg/lt.
Therefore the unladen weight of a vehicle is: Mass in service - mass of driver - mass of fuel.
The unladen weight of my vehicle is: (Insert mass in service at G on V5)kg- 75kg - (70lt x 0.9 x 0.83kg/lt)
Which is (mass in service at G) kg- 75kg - 52.29kg = XXXXkg. This is below 2040kg.
Please find attached the schematic drawing of vehicle (REG) which is from the VW commercial vehicle brochure. This provides evidence to show that (REG) satisfies the other criteria, I also attach my own photographs of my vehicle.
Many thanks in anticipation of your confirmation that the intended prosecution will be withdrawn,
Yours sincerely,
YOUR NAME
Version 1.2- a simple statement that the kombi is a dual purpose vehicle.
I think, but am not sure that actually it will be for them to prove it isn't rather than for us to prove it is.
Can anyone who knows clarify the position regarding who has the burden of proof regards defences to speeding. Does the defendant (driver) have to prove that he has a defence? Or does the CPS have to prove that the driver does not? If the latter then just saying that you have a dual purpose vehicle should be sufficient and then it would be for the police to come and inspect against the various criteria / regulations.
Dear BLANK
I received a NIP dated (DDMMYYYY) ref (REF) in relation to an alleged episode of exceeding the speed limit on (DDMMYYYY), (HHMM)hrs at (LOCATION) which is a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) in vehicle (REG).
I will contest prosecution.
It is alleged that vehicle (REG) was traveling at (NNmph) and that this exceeded the permitted maximum of (50mph or 60mph) on a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) on the basis that vehicle (REG) is a goods vehicle.
(It is also alleged that the vehicle was exceeding the permitted maximum speed for the class of vehicle and I have separately been alleged to have committed this an independent offence).
I contest the basis of the NIP because (REG) is a dual purpose vehicle as defined by The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 UK Statutory Instruments 1986 No. 1078 PART I Regulation 3.
Yours sincerely,
YOUR NAME
Version 2.2 - with proof:
Dear BLANK
I received a NIP dated (DDMMYYYY) ref (REF) in relation to an alleged episode of exceeding the speed limit on (DDMMYYYY), (HHMM)hrs at (LOCATION) which is a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) in vehicle (REG).
I will contest prosecution.
It is alleged that vehicle (REG) was traveling at (NNmph) and that this exceeded the permitted maximum of (50mph or 60mph) on a (single carriageway / dual carriageway) on the basis that vehicle (REG) is a goods vehicle.
(It is also alleged that the vehicle was exceeding the permitted maximum speed for the class of vehicle and I have separately been alleged to have committed this an independent offence).
I contest the basis of the NIP because (REG) is a dual purpose vehicle as defined by The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 UK Statutory Instruments 1986 No. 1078 PART I Regulation 3.
Dual purpose vehicles are subject to identical speed limits as cars. See Speed limits
Vehicle (REG) is a dual purpose vehicle because: Regulation 3 (above) states that a dual purpose vehicle is:
"a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods or burden of any description, being a vehicle of which the unladen weight does not exceed 2040 kg, and which either—
(i) is so constructed or adapted that the driving power of the engine is, or by the appropriate use of the controls of the vehicle can be, transmitted to all the wheels of the vehicle; or
(ii) satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely—
(a) the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel;
(b) the area of the vehicle to the rear of the driver's seat must—
(i) be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for two or more passengers and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered back-rests, attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle; and
(ii) be lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an area or aggregate area of not less than 1850 square centimetres on each side and not less than 770 square centimetres at the rear; and
(c) the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in head (i) of sub-paragraph (b) (or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the rearmost such row) must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one-third of the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the rearmost part of the floor of the vehicle."
I confirm that my vehicle meets the weight criteria and criteria ii) a,b and c in their entirety.
Weight: Please find enclosed a copy of the V5 for (REG) the mass in service, at G (highlighted) is (XXXXkg).
1. The mass in service figure is provided by Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles to the DVLA at the time of initial registration on form V55/5 see DVLA document V355/5 at item 37. Mass in service as set out in the V5 is the mass in running order defined by Commission Directive 95/48/EC (20 September 1995) Annex I Appendix 1 item 2.6 as: "Mass of the vehicle with bodywork in running order, or mass of the chassis with cab if the manufacturer does not fit the bodywork (including coolant, oils, fuel, tools, spare wheel and driver)" The figure provided is on the basis of a driver mass of 75kg and an approximate 90% fuel load, see Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles brochure The Transporter 2019 edition technical information, kombi weights footnote 1.
2. Unladen weight is defined in SI (1986) No. 1078 Part 1 R3(2) as; "the weight of a vehicle or trailer inclusive of the body and all parts (the heavier being taken where alternative bodies or parts are used) which are necessary to or ordinarily used with the vehicle or trailer when working on a road, but exclusive of the weight of water, fuel or accumulators used for the purpose of the supply of power for the propulsion of the vehicle or, as the case may be, of any vehicle by which the trailer is drawn, and of loose tools and loose equipment." An explanation is provided at www.gov.uk/vehicle-weights-explained which says"The unladen weight of any vehicle is the weight of the vehicle when it’s not carrying any passengers, goods or other items. It includes the body and all parts normally used with the vehicle or trailer when it’s used on a road. It doesn’t include the weight of:fuel, batteries in an electric vehicle - unless it’s a mobility scooter or powered wheelchair"
3. Vehicle (REG) has a 70lt fuel tank, it runs on (diesel/ petrol).
4. The approximate density of diesel (/ petrol) is 0.83kg/lt.
Therefore the unladen weight of a vehicle is: Mass in service - mass of driver - mass of fuel.
The unladen weight of my vehicle is: (Insert mass in service at G on V5)kg- 75kg - (70lt x 0.9 x 0.83kg/lt)
Which is (mass in service at G) kg- 75kg - 52.29kg = XXXXkg. This is below 2040kg.
Please find attached the schematic drawing of vehicle (REG) which is from the VW commercial vehicle brochure. This provides evidence to show that (REG) satisfies the other criteria, I also attach my own photographs of my vehicle.
Many thanks in anticipation of your confirmation that the intended prosecution will be withdrawn,
Yours sincerely,
YOUR NAME
@ed123 Good work, I look forward to hearing the outcome. Hopefully in your favour.
Maybe the plod dont do this as there is no lower limit for vans on the motorways, except when towing a trailer!
Maybe the plod dont do this as there is no lower limit for vans on the motorways, except when towing a trailer!
Yeah but when was the last time you saw a police officer out and about? Their numbers have been cut to such an extent that there aren’t enough to do the job. Instead they opt for a camera on a pole or a gantry and an automated system to send you a ticket. No ability to have a reasoned rationale conversation prior to ticket being issued showing them the fine print. No, you have to go to court to try and convince the magistrate which costs you time.
Agreed, I was waiting at a bus stop in Manchester a while ago (due to enforced 56 day break from driving) and counted on average 1 in 8 drivers were texting/ facebooking/ instagramming etc on their phones whilst driving. Static cameras wont catch them.
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