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Ah yes. They look interesting but I would not like to fit 102 load rating even if I could get away with it on my T6 Exec 4Motion Diff Lock!Pirelli Scorpion All Terrain Plus 225/65 R17 102H @ mytyres.co.uk
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Oh, they don't have the load rating for a T32 that needs a 103 minimum, but they are fine for other T6's.
Pirelli Scorpion AT-Plus
I'd love to see an example, a link to a report or similar would be great.
This is my view:-Ah yes. They look interesting but I would not like to fit 102 load rating even if I could get away with it on my T6 Exec 4Motion Diff Lock
I looked at the 18" size and although I would be more than happy to run then they are getting a bit too big
255/60R18 112H XL
BFG AT can be obtained
255/55R18 107 Which is already quite large and of course at 225/65R17
My vehicle was supplied as a cancelled order with ridiculously expensive 18" wheels that I immediately took off and use Bridgestone Winter tyres 225/65R17. I have decided that I do not like 17" rims because they only just clear the brake calipers with the very thinnest of stick on wheel weights. As you will also know off road, that very small gap could very easily become jammed, well I admit any gap could but I have run wheels that close to calipers once before and some out of town garages do not have supper thin wheel weights. I partially changed to 17" Rims in the mistaken belief that more tyre more comfort and might run off road better due to less shock at the tyre tread. That was just blindly following the fashion and not questioning this with my own experience. The narrower width tyres on T6 run at very high pressures compared to the broader fitments. This is fine when scrabbling for grip on track with a smidgen of mud or grass or snow covering. However running across fields with greater depth of grass or mud of grater or snow or indeed boggy ground, then lower ground pressures are very important. Of course one can stop and air down and I do this a lot. But the difference in change is of pressure is quite huge with narrower tyres compared to the difference with wider tyre widths. The wider widths leave less furrowing in the field compared to narrower widths. I can assure every one that is fact. One need to air down significantly to reduce the risks of furrowing.
I have a tractor that has low ground pressure tyres that go down off the scale of any tyre gage that I own. They go down to below 2psi or even 1 psi and balloon right out. Then they will cross boggy ground that I sink in wellies and have trouble walking at all. If I remain still I loose my wellies and get wet feet, yet the tractor just chugs across and barely shows any trace of wher it has been, its quite amazing to see.
The other difficulty that I have found with 225/65R17 is finding the best actual and legal tyre pressure to run on the road. Does one try to follow the pressures for narrower 215, widths or wider 235 or 255 and then try to compensate using some logic . It is all very well someone saying feel the tyre but that is not very scientific it is purely subjective. Also by the time a tyre has shown any tendency to ware it is already too late. One would need pyrometers or some other infra red sensor for accuracy and tables for comparisons. Even so unless one was considered an expert witness in a relevant field or could be sure one would support us, then anything that we said in court following a serious accident, where tyre pressure would be looked at, would be laughed out of court. Today people are being incarcerated in prison following road accidents where even the thinnest of evidence was considered enough to convict and sentence for very long terms at her majesties pleasure. In the past people would have considered them selves unlucky if they had received a small fine and a few points.
So I shall go back to 18" rims unless I have some better information on psi even then I will probably still go to 18". It is a pain.
Wow those are huge tyres (diameter), do they catch ever? 8.6% oversized = 32mm lift over OEM.
255/55/18 rubbed like hell on my standard suspension t32...not so much on lock (although It still rubbed) but when the suspension was compressed.Ah yes. They look interesting but I would not like to fit 102 load rating even if I could get away with it on my T6 Exec 4Motion Diff Lock
I looked at the 18" size and although I would be more than happy to run then they are getting a bit too big
255/60R18 112H XL
BFG AT can be obtained
255/55R18 107 Which is already quite large and of course at 225/65R17
My vehicle was supplied as a cancelled order with ridiculously expensive 18" wheels that I immediately took off and use Bridgestone Winter tyres 225/65R17. I have decided that I do not like 17" rims because they only just clear the brake calipers with the very thinnest of stick on wheel weights. As you will also know off road, that very small gap could very easily become jammed, well I admit any gap could but I have run wheels that close to calipers once before and some out of town garages do not have supper thin wheel weights. I partially changed to 17" Rims in the mistaken belief that more tyre more comfort and might run off road better due to less shock at the tyre tread. That was just blindly following the fashion and not questioning this with my own experience. The narrower width tyres on T6 run at very high pressures compared to the broader fitments. This is fine when scrabbling for grip on track with a smidgen of mud or grass or snow covering. However running across fields with greater depth of grass or mud of grater or snow or indeed boggy ground, then lower ground pressures are very important. Of course one can stop and air down and I do this a lot. But the difference in change is of pressure is quite huge with narrower tyres compared to the difference with wider tyre widths. The wider widths leave less furrowing in the field compared to narrower widths. I can assure every one that is fact. One need to air down significantly to reduce the risks of furrowing.
I have a tractor that has low ground pressure tyres that go down off the scale of any tyre gage that I own. They go down to below 2psi or even 1 psi and balloon right out. Then they will cross boggy ground that I sink in wellies and have trouble walking at all. If I remain still I loose my wellies and get wet feet, yet the tractor just chugs across and barely shows any trace of wher it has been, its quite amazing to see.
The other difficulty that I have found with 225/65R17 is finding the best actual and legal tyre pressure to run on the road. Does one try to follow the pressures for narrower 215, widths or wider 235 or 255 and then try to compensate using some logic . It is all very well someone saying feel the tyre but that is not very scientific it is purely subjective. Also by the time a tyre has shown any tendency to ware it is already too late. One would need pyrometers or some other infra red sensor for accuracy and tables for comparisons. Even so unless one was considered an expert witness in a relevant field or could be sure one would support us, then anything that we said in court following a serious accident, where tyre pressure would be looked at, would be laughed out of court. Today people are being incarcerated in prison following road accidents where even the thinnest of evidence was considered enough to convict and sentence for very long terms at her majesties pleasure. In the past people would have considered them selves unlucky if they had received a small fine and a few points.
So I shall go back to 18" rims unless I have some better information on psi even then I will probably still go to 18". It is a pain.
I do not disagree with much of what you are saying. I just do not care to buy tyres at the minimum load, if I can possibly avoid it. My home is physically off-road it is a daily consideration normally. I eirther go one way and it is up hill across wet fields or the other way down something that resembles an old green lane that long ago broke up. Both are near a mile long. In the past I needed to resort to a UNIMOG because of problems with a neighbouring land owner, My Landrover 101 FC just could not make it on 9.00x 16 tyres. I then made the ruts up top so deep with the UNIMOG that he could not negotiate the way in his tractor and suddenly he came to terms All tyres are a compromise and winter tyres do a decent job but sooner or later they will get ripped to shreds because they are just road tyres. My experience is that wider tyres are better for my situation for floatation and if bulging help to grip deeper ruts.This is my view:-
If off-road is your major issue in choosing a tyre, then the smallest rim with the largest tyre (diameter) is the way to go, because you can run that set up with the lowest pressure off-road (low speed`) subject to having some good ply sidewalls; without fear of the tyre coming off the rim, or damaging the rim (you can even consider rim locks). Giving the lowest ground pressure (sand and other soft surfaces), and most conformable tyre for hard angular surfaces. Low tyre pressure = low ground pressure mostly within the limits of the tyre.
The thinner tyre argument comes from driving on cohesive/clay soils or ice. In these situations the substrate is approaching frictionless, so you need to punch through the surface and try to shear the ice or clay across itself.
Regarding tyre loads, there is absolutely no need to select tyres with extra load ratings (VW don't, they sell T32 with 103 tyres - which is the minimum load rating for the heaviest loaded axel. The tyre load standards relate primarily to the tyre over-heating in maximum duty conditions (i.e. running at the tyres maximum speed duty & maximum loading in maximum ambient temperature conditions with maximum gross train weight & axel weight including a 2.5T trailer on the largest downhill section of a mountain pass, and maximum duty speed H=130mph for the Pirelli AT+. There is zero chance of a correct match load rated premium brand tyre failing because you didn't over-spec the tyre load rating, unless you lived in death valley, travelled at 130+mph with a 5300gtw+, overloaded axle(s), down a bloody hill. imo, there is plenty of safety margin already built-in to the tyres load rating.
From a safety perspective, wet/snow/ice conditions are the highest risk situations most of us encounter, so how these tyres perform in these conditions is very important, and all-seasons beat AT hands down, other than very deep snow, but if the all-season can't get you to where you want to go off-road; then AT's maybe the route, and they do look so nice
Visual inspection is a great way to set tyre pressure; generally, it's the rears in my experience that are the trickiest, so I set the fronts up to VW's suggestion(ish), then get the rears to have the same bulge as the fronts because most of the fronts load comes from the dead load of the van, whereas the rears carry most of the vehicle's live load (cargo), which is variable.
Oh, I do find tyre-talk stimulating.......
Where are you, it sounds a bit like 1939 Germany! That's not so common in the UK!!!
You have the best case for AT/MT I have come across.
I’ve been following the grenadier from day dot too having always had defenders until recently , I wish it all the best as it looks like it’s going to be a heck of a bit of kit .You have the best case for AT/MT I have come across.
I am a fan of 4X4's, and have been following the Ineos Grenadier story, pretty much from day 1; A few years ago there was a questioner regarding what they should build..... I answered consider a LR Forward control or a VW T4 Synco so much more useable than a standard 4X4 configuration. I do hope that Ineos go this way, as they are already talking about a MK-2.
If 18" is your bag then it has to be 235/55/18 GG AT3, a very good tyre .
General GRABBER AT3. Only £ 486.29
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It is not every day or week but it may happen sometimes every few months for a few days then they move on to another site. No warning. One place is on the bypass of the nearest town close to very large lay-buy. Loads of Police vehicles marked and unmarked all around the area and other vehicles. As I said the Tax people, that is inland revenue may be there and other agencies such as DVLA and the dole people. You may have a police car with electronic sign instructing drivers what they want them to do or the duel carriage way is necked with kones and all vehicle forced to slow to about walking pace. Then individual vehicles are pointed out and signalled to pull over into the lay-buy. Another place miles from nowhere close to a junction on an A road and much the same happens. After a day or so they move to somewhere else. Another place in a remote mountain area main A road. Usually it is trucks and vans but they also target vehicles with caravans and some cars. I have no idea what proportion of each category is targeted. In a village a few miles from me at the centre of the village police may target vehicles for inspection of some sort. The will target vehicles with trailers or caravans. They will check amongst other things tow-bar weight, tyres tax and anything that they fancy. Even the farmers are not immune, same checks. Things like over weight, tow bar wt, tyres, brake away cable, and so on. I know locally there have been a few persecutions and these pull-ins produce results. It happens in other townships also.
Slightly off topic but whereabouts are you in the country? I'm intrigued as I come from a rural area and have never seen anything like this. It must be a local police scenario I suppose.
As a recently retired Police Officer I have some understanding of what they do, but let me reassure everybody that they will rarely be interested in your tyre pressures unless a tyre appears under inflated, in which case you'd be glad to have it pointed out to you. (Of course if you've been involved in a fatal road accident they will check everything).
