Turn off Stop / Start

[andythom188]

I no mate life is one big blur most of the time just not enough hours in the day. I have two young kids and a very ill wife so my time is took up balancing work/kids/wifes heath/hospitals. what fun we have

Sorry to hear that m8 i know what you mean about one big blur.
And little girl is turning 2 and booked in for all the tests as we think she might be the same as charlie so here we go again oh the joys.
I have a 2 hour window on a saturday- sunday when kids have afternoon sleep then i get chance to wash the van if its dirty.
The van and this forum put a smile on my face .

 

[StudleyGlass]

You have your hands full there @andythom188 . just love um and care for them. Dont leave much time for us i no but i would no change it.
The bus is a nice pleasure to have and enjoy, when we have a bit of time

 

[ausT6]

Hey @SofaKing is the passenger aibag switch next to the start / stop in your pic there if you don't like the passenger? We don't have that switch in Australia, the airbags are always active.

I have my son trained to turn off the stop start when he gets in on the way to school every morning and I have to remember the rest of the day. I can't see any fuel savings outweighing the repair costs of starter motors etc down the track. When I first got the van I counted one morning and had 43 starts in the first 1/2 hour.

 

[Loz]

Hey @SofaKing is the passenger airbag switch next to the start / stop in your pic there if you don't like the passenger?

no, unfortunately just the warning lamp, the switch to disable the airbag is on the end of the glovebox when you open the door.

 

[ausT6]

When would you want to disable the airbag?

 

[SofaKing]

When would you want to disable the airbag?

e.g when having a childseat mounted face against rear.

 

[SofaKing]

 

[DaveyB]

e.g when having a childseat mounted face against rear.

Or, you really hate the person in the passenger side. I could swear that I have read of a case where the Husband turned it off, and then deliberately crashed the car, with the Wife in the passenger seat.

 

[DaveyB]

Here we go, I knew I'd read it somewhere.
Husband 'drove wife into tree with airbag switched off'

 

[Alan Walsh]

Right folks,
As I am a Carpenter I therefore know nothing about electronics but, If all we do is press the button to switch the stop/start off then if we knew if the switch was press to break the circuit or press to make the circuit then can we not just by-pass the switch and either join the wires or cut the wires.?
If you don't ask you will never learn

Doesn't work as simple as that unfortunately, it works on a Canbus system. The switch just tells the computer what action to take. The steering wheel has only 3 or 4 cables to it yet loads of buttons and they work in the same way. Each button is recognised by the computer and they are all linked by 2 wires, usually in a loop. Hope this helps (and not confuses!)

 

[andythom188]

I no mate life is one big blur most of the time just not enough hours in the day. I have two young kids and a very ill wife so my time is took up balancing work/kids/wifes heath/hospitals. what fun we have

Sorry to hear m8, oh what fun we have sounds like my routine

 

[Scot]

Doesn't work as simple as that unfortunately, it works on a Canbus system. The switch just tells the computer what action to take. The steering wheel has only 3 or 4 cables to it yet loads of buttons and they work in the same way. Each button is recognised by the computer and they are all linked by 2 wires, usually in a loop. Hope this helps (and not confuses!)

Now, if it was made from wood, I could have fixed the bloody thing. lol

 

[ausT6]

e.g when having a childseat mounted face against rear.

In Australia it's illegal to have that type of child restraint in the front seat of any vehicle so I guess thats why no turn off option.

 

[Roman]

Do you hate when your van’s engine cuts out on a roundabout? Don’t you get pissed-off when you just stop at red light that quickly changes to green but you need to wat for the engine to start?
Well I do. Every time I start the van I have to press the damn button to cancel the Start Stop functionality. This was beyond annoying for me so I made a internet search for a workoround the issue. All I found was a way to change the BCM adaptation to reverse the logic, but thats on a Touareg.
As I’m an Auto Electrician, I started thinking of an electrical way to bypass the Start Stop System. I tried fitting timer relays to the dashboard on off button but no timing worked as it needed two time intervals. One to delay after ignition is on and one to activate button press and then let go. Overly complicated for a little button operation.
Next, I came up with the current override that works for two months now with no issues.
All I did is to connect the starter signal to the button active wire. In other words, every time I cranck the override button gets pressed. It takes a little electrical knowledge and remove/refitt skills but the reward is worth it.
Remember, you need to fit a diode between the starter wire and the button wire so you dont cranck the starter if you press the button.
Parts needed:
Add-A-Circuit fuse holder for mini fuses
1A diode /preferable in mini fuse housing

VW T6 Starter fuse 56

• Roman
• 19 Oct 2017

Start by locating and removing fuse 56 from fuse box behing the bottle draw in the lower center of the dashboard. This is the starter fuse. Once removed, you shouldn’t be able to start the van. Have a try to confirm.

Diode saldered on top of blown fuse

• Roman
• 19 Oct 2017

I used a blown fuse to solder a diode on top as I didn’t have a handy diode in mini fuse casing.

Diode and fuse in dual piggy bag insert

• Roman
• 19 Oct 2017

Assemble the fuse holder with the removed 5A fuse and the diode in the exact same way as per photo.

VW T6 Starter signal pick-up

• Roman
• 19 Oct 2017

Start Stop Override starter signal pickup from fuse box.

Then, plug the fuse holder assembly in fuse slot 56 in the same way as the photo.

Here is the hard part. You need to remove the radio surrounding to push the button out. Even better if you have a tool to pull the button out without removing the surround plate.

Removing Radio surround plate with vents VW T6

• Roman
• 19 Oct 2017

Removing Radio surround plate with vents VW T6

Start Stop Override Button removal VW T6

• Roman
• 19 Oct 2017

Start Stop Override Button removal VW T6

Start Stop Override Button Wiring and Pinouts

• Roman
• 19 Oct 2017

2x BK - IGN
BN - GND
GY/BU - ILL
GY/RD - Status LED Negative CTL
BN/BK - BUTTON Positive OUT

The pinouts of the button are as follows:
2x BK - IGN

BN - GND

GY/BU - ILL

GY/RD - Status LED Negative CTL

BN/BK - BUTTON Positive OUT

You will need to connect the wire from the fuse assembly to Brown with Black trace wire (BN/BK) of the button wiring. Preferably soldered.

And there you have it. Here is a link to a video of the operation of the override:

 

[Dave67]

Seems like a lot of effort to overcome pressing a button to me.

 

[Pauly]

I commend your effort and comprehensive write up but this seems a bit of an extreme job to achieve this result.

I have disabled start/stop on my vehicle using VCP, this does it electronically in the ECU and is extremely easy to carry out, i have been unable to recreate the results using VCDS but have yet to apply myself to this
There is a device you can buy for circa £30 of ebay that connects to the back of the switch and will simulate a button press everytime the vehicle is started, yes theres an expense to it but will save time routing/connecting cables which i suspect will be beyond the average user ?

Sorry im not trying to talk down your mod i actually think its pretty ingenious but for the average forum member i think there are better ways to go about it

 

[andys]

Do you hate when your van’s engine cuts out on a roundabout? Don’t you get pissed-off when you just stop at red light that quickly changes to green but you need to wat for the engine to start?

No, I wouldn't be without Stop/Start, but I appreciate your technical knowledge and problem solving ability and I hope you'll stick around to advise on other electrical fixes which would be useful (auto coming home lights?)

 

[Roman]

I have found useful information here and this is my contribution to a great forum.
If you feel like pressing a button every time you start, well this is not the right place for you.
If you have better idea I think it’s only fair to post a link to your own workaround and findings.

 

[andys]

I have found useful information here and this is my contribution to a great forum.
If you feel like pressing a button every time you start, well this is not the right place for you.
If you have better idea I think it’s only fair to post a link to your own workaround and findings.

But of an odd conclusion about me and this forum. As I put above, I like stop/ start, I don't press a button, I have no workaround because I don't need one. But again, as I said above , I respect your ingenuity and look forward to you coming up with further ideas

 

[Roman]

Hi Pauly,
I don’t think that the average forum user has access to VCP or VCDS and £30 with shipping to AU will be over $100 AUD. My method costs $4 in parts and can be completed in less than an hour from an average car tinker.
I only have access to SnapOn scanner/tester that doesn’t have extended VW programing ability. That’s why I made the mod and share it for people like myself.