I was of the understanding that was largely to do with structural issues and not being able to cope with the extra weight of EVs.
If it is based on fire risk they will soon magically change their mind, or simply go out of business.
Are EVs the way forward?
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If it is based on fire risk they will soon magically change their mind, or simply go out of business.
I love the way you're so defensive of EV's...a true believer. 
If the worldwide slowdown on the uptake of EV's continue, ( or is that another mistruth?) we won't have to worry about them cathching fire. If on the other hand, they do overtake the number of ICE vehicles, good luck with that.
By the way, I do know how to spell Diesel, and I won't be changing anytime soon. Far to happy with it. Cheers.
If the worldwide slowdown on the uptake of EV's continue, ( or is that another mistruth?) we won't have to worry about them cathching fire. If on the other hand, they do overtake the number of ICE vehicles, good luck with that.By the way, I do know how to spell Diesel, and I won't be changing anytime soon. Far to happy with it. Cheers.
I personally own a diesel and two petrols. The missus has an EV.
I'm not especially pro-electric. I'm just anti nonsense.
I largely sit on the fence on the EV debate. I'm not an evangelist, but having had one in the household (Mrs Sasquatch has just ordered her 5th) since 2012 I can also see that 99% of the 'facts' arranged against them are pure nonsense, almost exclusively promulgated by people that have never owned one themselves.
I'm not especially pro-electric. I'm just anti nonsense.
I largely sit on the fence on the EV debate. I'm not an evangelist, but having had one in the household (Mrs Sasquatch has just ordered her 5th) since 2012 I can also see that 99% of the 'facts' arranged against them are pure nonsense, almost exclusively promulgated by people that have never owned one themselves.
That's debatable...but good health to you.
That was not what was up for debate.
Good point, well made.I don't need an alternative to ICE, I'm happy with fossil fuels and I'm not a hypocrite.
Forum members post endlessly about their powerful T6's and their touring Europe and now a small minority want me to worry about my van boiling the planet. Of course, all those who posted about their DPF delete are AWOL, a good decision.
Everybody on here bought a van from the company who cheated EU emission tests!Oh the irony!
I'd like to spend longer giving you a better reply but I drove 300 miles today to help a close relative, I know, because I read it on this thread, that the average person only drives 23 miles per day, but I didn't have a spare week to do the return journey. Nobody sells an ICE car with a 25 mile range, which is enough for the "average journey".
In the meantime I suggest that you understand why an EV doesn't work for the nurse who parks her £1,500 Corsa as near as she can to outside the flat she rents, the car she uses to drive to the various hospitals she works at on shifts when the bus isn't a safe or realistic alternative.
Perhaps we should tell her that, "Everyone survived without cars, most families managing fine without them as late as the sixties, and we'll manage without them when they're gone. Excuses about living in a flat or being poor are not good enough - people need to learn they can't always have their cake and eat it." (Also from this thread).
I'm sure somebody on here could tell her how she could buy, lease or PCP an EV on her meagre wages and buy or rent a home with off street parking to charge it while she grabs some sleep between shifts.
Perhaps if those fans of EV's on this thread didn't have a premium diesel van I'd take their virtue signalling a little more seriously.
So in summary, I suggest that we think how this affects EVERYBODY, not just those who can afford to buy and run a T6. When that nurse and millions of others like her in a range of jobs just can't see a way of getting around, and gives up work, we might have to look at it from her point of view.
What was wrong with the first one from 2012 that meant it had to be replaced, then the replacement replaced as so on? My 2012 diesel car is still going very.
Maybe it's unnecessary consumerism? Some might say that is part of the problem too.
Most probably a 2 or 3 year lease of some sort which given that EVs are an emerging tech and depreciation is a bit of an unknown makes sense I guess?
I'm a bit against buying anything on the never never but imagine all the folks who rushed out during COVID and bought their first campervan and are now trying to squeeze out from underneath the payments and have watched the inflated cost evaporate?
Edit, and unneccesary consumerism works across all sectors with hard up youngsters spending tens off thousands on fairytale weddings despite living in rented houses and renting their cars, maybe it's a 60 plus thing but if enough people didn't succumb to buy now pay later then goods and services would have a more realistic relationship to price asked... don't get me started on professional car detailing FFS, since when was a boy scout job a career?
Only slightly off topic then.
I'm a bit against buying anything on the never never but imagine all the folks who rushed out during COVID and bought their first campervan and are now trying to squeeze out from underneath the payments and have watched the inflated cost evaporate?
Edit, and unneccesary consumerism works across all sectors with hard up youngsters spending tens off thousands on fairytale weddings despite living in rented houses and renting their cars, maybe it's a 60 plus thing but if enough people didn't succumb to buy now pay later then goods and services would have a more realistic relationship to price asked... don't get me started on professional car detailing FFS, since when was a boy scout job a career?
Only slightly off topic then.
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Indeed.
But she leases them on a very cheap deal aimed at those in her profession and doesn't get to own or keep them.
If we're to believe the naysayers in this thread then owning one is the last thing she should be considering anyway.
Maybe the hotter/dustier environment (or electrical system) is causing all these EV fires in Oz that you mention, but we are simply not seeing the same issue in the UK and Europe.I love the way you're so defensive of EV's...a true believer.
By the way, I do know how to spell Diesel, and I won't be changing anytime soon. Far too happy with it. Cheers.
There is certainly a well documented downturn in year on year EV sales but that is to be expected. Early adopters have adopted, subsidies have been reduced/removed, road tax implemented (UK) and there is now a healthy supply of secondhand vehicles. Many are also waiting for improvements in the charging infrastructure, the surge of new vehicles due for release (longer range, faster charging etc) and to see what happens in the upcoming budget. However, the reduction (not slow down) in petrol and diesel sales is quite telling. Their sales are going to reduce rapidly in the coming years as fines for manufacturers take effect and the total ban arrives. EVs and hybrids are the future whether one likes it or not. I guess we will need more fire engines and firefighters as they will be extraordinarily busy!
For the record I do not and have not owned an EV or hybrid. I’d happily have an EV for the runabout and commute car but will not go for one for the main vehicle until the infrastructure is better and range longer. And more importantly the prices ease as technology trickles down. I’ll keep my current cars until then. There is no affordable solution for the camper yet so that will stay.
I’m in the waiting for new release group. I’m trying to keep my 2012 SantaFe going until the ID1 comes out next year, so will be a small car with better batteries.
By the time my 2022 T6.1 needs replacement, the electric Transiporter should be many versions in, and would be my retirement Ecamper project. (That makes me feel old to be thinking about it!)
Of course both EV and ICE cars can go wrong. It is widely reported that a modern car contains vastly more lines of software code than even a passenger aircraft or jet fighter. A simple search suggests over 100 million lines, although I guess EVs contain more. That’s a lot of safety critical and safety related code.
I’d rather code an EV power unit control system. The power unit has a voltage, current and temperature to worry about (massive oversimplification) whereas the ICE has a bazillion variables on inlet flange back pressure ash levels to control.
Agreed, ICE is overly complicated. To simplify it we could map all that shit out, straight pipe it and roll coal.
Not sure where that is reported but it’s not the case. Yes, if compared to a 60s generation aircraft with a 256k computer, but not even close against modern aircraft. The flight control system on an F35 will have far more code than a car before you include weapons, engines, avionics, defensive aids, datalinks, system monitoring…..
I don't need an alternative to ICE, I'm happy with fossil fuels and I'm not a hypocrite.
Forum members post endlessly about their powerful T6's and their touring Europe and now a small minority want me to worry about my van boiling the planet. Of course, all those who posted about their DPF delete are AWOL, a good decision.
Everybody on here bought a van from the company who cheated EU emission tests!
I'd like to spend longer giving you a better reply but I drove 300 miles today to help a close relative, I know, because I read it on this thread, that the average person only drives 23 miles per day, but I didn't have a spare week to do the return journey. Nobody sells an ICE car with a 25 mile range, which is enough for the "average journey".
In the meantime I suggest that you understand why an EV doesn't work for the nurse who parks her £1,500 Corsa as near as she can to outside the flat she rents, the car she uses to drive to the various hospitals she works at on shifts when the bus isn't a safe or realistic alternative.
Perhaps we should tell her that, "Everyone survived without cars, most families managing fine without them as late as the sixties, and we'll manage without them when they're gone. Excuses about living in a flat or being poor are not good enough - people need to learn they can't always have their cake and eat it." (Also from this thread).
I'm sure somebody on here could tell her how she could buy, lease or PCP an EV on her meagre wages and buy or rent a home with off street parking to charge it while she grabs some sleep between shifts.
Perhaps if those fans of EV's on this thread didn't have a premium diesel van I'd take their virtue signalling a little more seriously.
So in summary, I suggest that we think how this affects EVERYBODY, not just those who can afford to buy and run a T6. When that nurse and millions of others like her in a range of jobs just can't see a way of getting around, and gives up work, we might have to look at it from her point of view.
so is that a no then? (you can't suggest an alternative)
i didn't mean for you to use, i meant for the 'hypocrites'...
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I nearly spewed my coffee over my keyboard at this one....!!!!
You clearly haven't been to central London in the last 15 years!!!
The place is still a gridlocked hellhole, I can assure you. (worse than 15 years ago if you ask me)
I saw the aftermath of a vehicle fire today. Held me up for a couple of minutes. Diesel bus with what appeared to be minor fire damage limited to the engine bay. Fire were still in attendance, but it was out when we passed it. It’s still not made local news… if it were an EV bus it’d be on national news by now.
ICE fires are much more common, plenty of data for that.
Recorded by EV fan boys like the fire brigade.
Maybe while there are a vocal minority spreading mistruths and thereby slowing the change to cleaner travel… mandates and law changes are therefore seen as only way forward. If everyone did a little then we wouldn’t be heading towards a dire situation at increasing speed. But we have people that pull the opposite way because they think (wrongly) that you’re either for or against EVs and other green stuff in the strongest of fashions. They cannot accept there is middle ground.
It’s like speed cameras. The only reason they exist at all is because a minority of drivers like to speed. These drivers will moan it’s just a scam to fleece drivers out of cash - proving it’s well beyond their comprehension. It’s a personal choice if you get fined, nobody makes you. And you’re risking other peoples lives… it cannot go unchecked.
