Like a poll maybe...?I don’t know about anyone else but this thread is boring the shit out of me now.
A simple yes or no would of been sufficient
Are EVs the way forward?
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We have a ID 4 and a ID 3 and a beflingo and an electric transporter lwb.kombi I didn’t want any of them as I have a perfectly working T5 and T6 there . They do get used but and are ok. But as a few other guys it’s the infrastructure and range of the vans. But the vans won’t be staying.
The funny thing is. I never even started this thread.I don’t know about anyone else but this thread is boring the shit out of me now.
A simple yes or no would of been sufficient
The very first post on this thread was an off the cuff comment I made on the bogging T7 thread.
And because of everyone jumping on it I truly hijacked the thread so the mods made this a separate thread.
25 pages deep now.
it's a great discussion, and it's good to hear different peoples thoughts and opinions on the subject.
but, as seems the way in society at the moment, the most vocal people get very defensive and polarised while the majority sit somewhere in the middle...
but, as seems the way in society at the moment, the most vocal people get very defensive and polarised while the majority sit somewhere in the middle...
I like the idea of EVs but in my experience they're useless as a work van. My employer has invested in a few at an airport. We've just had a second EV completely fail on less then 1000 miles.
The first one was at the garage for 6 months, they couldn't figure out what was wrong with it. They had to parachute a specialist in to sort it out, but just ended up shot gunning it with parts until it worked. New ECU, battery, all sorts. Cost thousands.
EVs do not like lots of starts and short trips, which we do all day everyday. At least with the diesels we got a warning the dpf was blocking and we could take it for a spin up the motorway. The EVs just die.
Edit: and you can't just put them in neutral and tow them. Disengaging the gearbox requires tools and time.
The first one was at the garage for 6 months, they couldn't figure out what was wrong with it. They had to parachute a specialist in to sort it out, but just ended up shot gunning it with parts until it worked. New ECU, battery, all sorts. Cost thousands.
EVs do not like lots of starts and short trips, which we do all day everyday. At least with the diesels we got a warning the dpf was blocking and we could take it for a spin up the motorway. The EVs just die.
Edit: and you can't just put them in neutral and tow them. Disengaging the gearbox requires tools and time.
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Really? How did you come to that conclusion ?
Yes exactly peoples opinions and seems if you say not for me or not to sure just yet you get jumped upon by the so say planet savers.
Don’t get me wrong most of us try to do our bit by helping towards the planet in some way or another but don’t feel it should be pushed down your throat or made to feel bad if you disagree
Exactly
Just because that's the conditions we've been operating them in, and more than one EV can't seem to hack it. Dead in a few months. I accept lots of starts and short trips might not be the root cause, but it seems that way.
This is what is meant to be coming.
My Daughter loves these things .
But loves this better.
My Daughter loves these things .
But loves this better.
Yep that's one of them French hover cars with hidden back wheels, I very nearly went for a salvage 1978 Citroen CX 2400 familiale estate back in 1980 but chickened out and got a 78 MK4 Cortina GLS that needed re-shelling.
The Citroen in silver with a 7 seater blue velour interior and the overhead console full of switches was like a spaceship or French super model compared to the the clockwork Ford.
The Citroen in silver with a 7 seater blue velour interior and the overhead console full of switches was like a spaceship or French super model compared to the the clockwork Ford.
I wondered the same. Express Dairys & The Coop didn’t seem to have a problem
I just did the same google and AI (the first hit) says 100 million lines for a car and 8 million for an F35! Utter bullocks! It’s simply not comparing apples with apples. What is included in the assessment - it certainly isn’t the whole aircraft as a system. The only other explanation (or addition to lack of apples!) would be bloatware, different (inefficient) software, lesser investment and less worries about efficiency in the automotive field. Or they are just very, very bad at coding!! Which is worrying as aviation aren’t fantastic!
I'm not sure # lines of code is a straightforward (or even a useful) metric when assessing relative system complexities. In fact, unless you're comparing homogenous coding languages with consistently applied beautification rules across those code bases, it can be pretty misleading. You could try instruction counting at an assembler or machine code level - this might provide a better indication of complexity, but this will likely be highly hardware dependent, so unlikely to be comparable.
I’ve lived all my life in London and driven in it for nearly 60 years, forty of those years professionally until I retired. London was, as you say a predictable nightmare to drive in. Congestion charges and the ULEZ rules didn’t really change things much. However, over the last few years three things have changed driving in London. The pandemic, working from home and GPS. It’s not empty, of course, what city is, but since those two life changing events and the advance knowledge GPS gives us commuting in and out of London never quite returned to the bad old days when all major junctions predictably were gridlocked. I’m an old school driver that rarely uses GPS as I believe blindly following instructions teaches you nothing about sense of direction, context or even your locality. However, only in the last few years, I learnt from my son how useful advance knowledge of congestion is. I’m not a complete convert yet but I’m sure that aspect of GPS also contributes todays generally lighter traffic.
Walk, cycle, take the bus, the train. Basically don't jump in the van for a 2 minute drive to the paper shop. It's not much, but it's a start, and these small steps can make a massive difference if enough of us act on them.
Thanks, interesting. It would be interesting to know the System Integrity Levels for the various functions. That would add a different slant on the comparison.
absolutely agree.
but i was asking what the alternative is for the members on here that need a long range camper/commercial vehicle?
I've just seen an advert for a Dacia Spring.
I said earlier that an EV would work for what my wife does in her Polo. It's said to have140 mile range, so for what she does in the Polo, a charge would last the best part of a week. She'd still have her proper car (Tiguan) for longer distances. The thing is, it starts at £15k, which granted is bugger all for a new car, but the Polo is 10 years old, in near perfect condition and has lost all it's money. Say we get another 3 years from it, what's a Spring going to be worth in 3 years time?
I said earlier that an EV would work for what my wife does in her Polo. It's said to have140 mile range, so for what she does in the Polo, a charge would last the best part of a week. She'd still have her proper car (Tiguan) for longer distances. The thing is, it starts at £15k, which granted is bugger all for a new car, but the Polo is 10 years old, in near perfect condition and has lost all it's money. Say we get another 3 years from it, what's a Spring going to be worth in 3 years time?
About 6.5 k, keep your powder dry
